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    I was told that I "Don't Get It" in regards to my continuously saying that in order for the laws that will be made. Be made fair and be made intelligently that we in this community should be the ones to come up with the solution that prevents the next massacre. I suggested that we should be the ones to get in front of this and propose to the American people what we think we should do to help prevent the next slew of mass killings. Here is my response to that statement that "I don't get it".


    Quote Originally Posted by atctimmy View Post
    Wow. You REALLY don't get it.
    No, I totally get it. I'd like to thank you guys for helping me to "get it."

    I get that people here are more concerned by the machines they can buy instead of how many people die.
    I get it, people here are more concerned about battling some imaginary occupation force than the lives of real children.
    I get it, people here care more about being right than doing what is right.
    I get it, people here only listen to one source of gun information.
    I get it, people here are scared and are kept scared by that source of information.
    I get it, people here are so scared that they will blindly throw money into a for profit NRA that will fumble that cash and make things worse.
    I get it, it is not possible for me to have an honest and open discussion with folks here (except for a few) about reasonable solutions without getting some piece of tattoo truisms.
    I get it, people here generally don't think for themselves. The knee jerk reactions here are overwhelming.
    I get it, people here are the same people I sit in traffic with and ponder how they can be so dumb. If I wonder that about your driving abilities why would I even want you to have a firearm?

    So you see, you're wrong, I do get it. I'm a gun owner and I'm for the Second Amendment but honestly I'm fine with just about any law that is made to keep some of us in check because we as a community are obviously not able to do it ourselves. Hell, we can't even have a conversation about it.

    I'm for the Second Amendment but like all rights the second amendment is not absolute and that's what we're all about to find out. Just as freedom of speech is not absolute thus the right of the people to keep and bear arms is not absolute.

    I get it, people here don't realize that the forefathers of this nation saw to it that the second amendment be kept in tact but those same forefathers also gave the Supreme Court the power to interpret that law and Congress the power to even amend the Constitution if the need arises. I don't expect anything that drastic and I hope whatever comes down, for my own good, isn't as harsh as I think it's going to be but I will not be surprised or upset if and when those rules come down the pike.

    I get it, we did this to ourselves by circling the wagons and shouting down anyone who tried to be reasonable from within our own ranks. I get it, do you?

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    You realize that there are over 65,000 members to this forum and you have interacted with probably less than 2% of them. Some blanket statements you are making without any real validation.

    The other forum topic got heated and you kept fanning the flames. Doesn't matter if you are right or wrong, make your points and move on. Not everyone is going to "buy-in" to your points.

    Loosen up. These are emotional times on both sides of the issue because there is a lot at stake. You cannot expect for you to control the conversation in a public forum.

    Good luck!
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    Nope, you don't get it. FYI, I live in CA so I know 1st hand what there is to "get" about your sensible gun laws. However, you DO "get" the 1st Amendment I see. Let's hope they don't start hacking away at that one too eh?
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    I'm a Boston liberal who doesnt support the NRA or care what piece of paper protects my rights. I also read and study history and realize that all forms of prohibition give money and power to the people that NOBODY wants to have guns. School shootings are always tragic. But to take mass shooting statistics (which show you're more likely to be hit by lightning) and add to that the statistics of gun crimes committed by career criminals with guns that were never legal is unfair. It's unfair because gun control wont change the statistics of crimes committed with black market weapons(the stats being used against us now), but addressing how we treat mental illness could prevent school shootings. All encompassing, non specific crime statistics are what you dont
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    Sensible Gun Laws = National Right to Carry (open or CC)!!

    I fought for that right. Heck (yeah Mods... toned that down) to fight for your 2A. I almost lost my life, overseas to fight for the USA.

    Do not give up your USA 2A rights. They are unique to the United States of America, and politicians are now going to try to take away your rights so they can look good to other people.
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    Let me address your concerns,so as to help you "get it" because its obvious to most of us that you need assistance in your quest for knowledge.

    I get that people here are more concerned by the machines they can buy instead of how many people die.
    My personal machines have killed no one. How can you say this ?

    I get it, people here are more concerned about battling some imaginary occupation force than the lives of real children
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    Having been in battle,with some witness marks to show it, it really is about the lives of our children. What we do, we ultimately do for them. Its apparent to me that you have never engaged an occupational force, real or imagined. The one I engaged was not imaginary. It was that experience that galvanized my thought process when it comes to owning weapons.

    I get it, people here care more about being right than doing what is right.
    It might appear to the casual observer that your version of "right" may be different than most of those that visit this forum.

    I get it, people here only listen to one source of gun information.
    I don't listen to one source of info for anything. Not guns, the stock market, the economy or even CNN news.

    I get it, people here are scared and are kept scared by that source of information.
    Generally...no. One source doesn't worry me. A dozen sources saying the same thing...might.


    I get it, people here are so scared that they will blindly throw money into a for profit NRA that will fumble that cash and make things worse.
    Ummm...no. Wrong again. Perhaps you assume to much?


    I get it, it is not possible for me to have an honest and open discussion with folks here (except for a few) about reasonable solutions without getting some piece of tattoo truisms.
    Perhaps my "reasonable solution" does not jive with yours. Does that make me a bad person?

    I get it, people here generally don't think for themselves. The knee jerk reactions here are overwhelming.
    It appears to me in my several years of being here, that most(not all)people do a pretty good job of thinking. The only knee jerk reactions I see taking place are by liberal/socialist fellows that can not effectively communicate, or if they communicate at all, its on about a 5th grade reading level.

    I get it, people here are the same people I sit in traffic with and ponder how they can be so dumb. If I wonder that about your driving abilities why would I even want you to have a firearm?
    Luckily for us both, driving skills or lack of, does not dictate how we can defend ourselves. Not yet anyway.

    So you see, you're wrong, I do get it. I'm a gun owner and I'm for the Second Amendment but honestly I'm fine with just about any law that is made to keep some of us in check because we as a community are obviously not able to do it ourselves. Hell, we can't even have a conversation about it.
    You are not for the Second Amendment...or maybe you are just for part of it. You know, a lot of people tend to gloss over the pesky part of it that says "shall not be infringed"...but that is understandable because if you have been educated in a public school in the last 20 or so years, you may not have ever heard or studied that part.
    And...are we not having a "conversation"? As close as we can do on the net anyways...

    I'm for the Second Amendment but like all rights the second amendment is not absolute and that's what we're all about to find out. Just as freedom of speech is not absolute thus the right of the people to keep and bear arms is not absolute.
    It would appear that the part that you don't like...the part that says "shall not be infringed" is pretty absolute to me. Perhaps you should go look up "shall not" and "absolute" in a dictionary.

    I get it, people here don't realize that the forefathers of this nation saw to it that the second amendment be kept in tact but those same forefathers also gave the Supreme Court the power to interpret that law and Congress the power to even amend the Constitution if the need arises. I don't expect anything that drastic and I hope whatever comes down, for my own good, isn't as harsh as I think it's going to be but I will not be surprised or upset if and when those rules come down the pike.
    If you really did know anything about the "forefather" then you would understand why they used" shall not be infringed" in the Second Amendment. Notice that it was the Second Amendment...not the last. They must have thought it to be important.

    I get it, we did this to ourselves by circling the wagons and shouting down anyone who tried to be reasonable from within our own ranks. I get it, do you?
    Back in the days of Indians that were trying to kill you, circling the wagons was the only way to survive. Compromising with someone that wants to eliminate you was (and still is) a losing proposition.

    Perhaps if you feel so frustrated, you might want to join the Liberal Gun forum, where people might agree with you and not argue so much. They like to compromise and discuss how we need to give up more so that lesser men can feel good about themselves. Is it possible that you already have a membership there?
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    IMO, """""You Don't Get It""""""". Nuff said......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ogien View Post
    I was told that I "Don't Get It" in regards to my continuously saying that in order for the laws that will be made. Be made fair and be made intelligently that we in this community should be the ones to come up with the solution that prevents the next massacre. I suggested that we should be the ones to get in front of this and propose to the American people what we think we should do to help prevent the next slew of mass killings. Here is my response to that statement that "I don't get it".


    No, I totally get it. I'd like to thank you guys for helping me to "get it."

    I get that people here are more concerned by the machines they can buy instead of how many people die.
    I get it, people here are more concerned about battling some imaginary occupation force than the lives of real children.
    I get it, people here care more about being right than doing what is right.
    I get it, people here only listen to one source of gun information.
    I get it, people here are scared and are kept scared by that source of information.
    I get it, people here are so scared that they will blindly throw money into a for profit NRA that will fumble that cash and make things worse.
    I get it, it is not possible for me to have an honest and open discussion with folks here (except for a few) about reasonable solutions without getting some piece of tattoo truisms.
    I get it, people here generally don't think for themselves. The knee jerk reactions here are overwhelming.
    I get it, people here are the same people I sit in traffic with and ponder how they can be so dumb. If I wonder that about your driving abilities why would I even want you to have a firearm?

    So you see, you're wrong, I do get it. I'm a gun owner and I'm for the Second Amendment but honestly I'm fine with just about any law that is made to keep some of us in check because we as a community are obviously not able to do it ourselves. Hell, we can't even have a conversation about it.

    I'm for the Second Amendment but like all rights the second amendment is not absolute and that's what we're all about to find out. Just as freedom of speech is not absolute thus the right of the people to keep and bear arms is not absolute.

    I get it, people here don't realize that the forefathers of this nation saw to it that the second amendment be kept in tact but those same forefathers also gave the Supreme Court the power to interpret that law and Congress the power to even amend the Constitution if the need arises. I don't expect anything that drastic and I hope whatever comes down, for my own good, isn't as harsh as I think it's going to be but I will not be surprised or upset if and when those rules come down the pike.

    I get it, we did this to ourselves by circling the wagons and shouting down anyone who tried to be reasonable from within our own ranks. I get it, do you?
    Wha-how.

    I wasnt in the locked thread on the CT shooting. If you posted stuff like this, I can see why it was considered inflammatory.

    You are SO off base on your "I Get its" that it would be laughable if it wasnt such a serious topic. Wrong...so wrong. And apparently completely clueless about it.

    This one will be locked pretty quickly, I'm sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ogien View Post
    I'm a gun owner and I'm for the Second Amendment but honestly I'm fine with just about any law that is made to keep some of us in check because we as a community are obviously not able to do it ourselves. Hell, we can't even have a conversation about it.
    While some of our rights are restricted...it doesnt mean it's right. IMO, hate speech is unConstitutional. It is BS IMO. (for ex.)

    From the sentence I quoted above, you dont even know the meaning of 'right.'

    I dont need YOU or anyone else to keep me in check and NO ONE in this 'community' just killed 20 kids. A mentally ill NON-gun owner did.

    And you think "WE" need to face facts?
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    Here is what you don't get: Evil exists and it cannot be legislated away. For every law passed there is a person out there willing to break that law. Murder has been illegal for centuries and yet someone was willing to kill all those children in spite of laws prohibiting such behavior.

    Guns exist and they cannot be legislated out of existence. Just like nuclear weapons you cannot put the genie back in the bottle. To think otherwise is pure fantasy. In the real world bad people and guns exist and you either have a strong defense or you die.

    Lastly I'll touch on one other point you don't seem to get: There is nobody on this planet responsible for your safety other than you. To think that our government, or any government for that matter, is going to protect you is a pipe dream of the highest order. This is the real world and in the real world only the strong survive.

    The only way to stop mass shootings is to put up a strong, armed defense. If you believe anything else then you are either lying to yourself or you're a fool.
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    The mask you use as your Avatar looks like something someone would wear to a mass shooting.

    And you still don't get it. I don't have the time, nor the inclination to spell it out for you. Most recently, Hotguns, atctimmy, and many others in this thread and other threads have done a fine job of explaining just exactly where and how your beliefs don't exactly jive with what free people believe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by discoboxer View Post
    You realize that there are over 65,000 members to this forum and you have interacted with probably less than 2% of them. Some blanket statements you are making without any real validation.

    The other forum topic got heated and you kept fanning the flames. Doesn't matter if you are right or wrong, make your points and move on. Not everyone is going to "buy-in" to your points.

    Loosen up. These are emotional times on both sides of the issue because there is a lot at stake. You cannot expect for you to control the conversation in a public forum.

    Good luck!
    I read Ogen's comments, no matter how much attacked and called a Non-Gunner, Troll and worse, he kept explaining his points. I also have guns, shoot them and accept the right of the 2nd A. But I also know the importance of regulation. SCOTUS's seminal HELLER OPINION, which IS the 2nd Amendment and is the function of SCOTUS in any era to set along with any other OPINION of any Supreme Court as to the meaning of a part of the Constitution - and this is intended by our Founders - is much more in keeping with Ogen's and my own point of view about regulations - which the Court found stand and are not at all Unconstitutional. They example the point by naming a number, including regulating weapon-type. Fine. As long as a regulation does not preclude one possessing a working weapon, it's fine.
    Ogen was calling for regulation of certain areas of gun use and I think heightened investigation of applicants to know for sure who is a law abiding, sane, non-substance abusing person and who isn't. These did not fan the flames except by being a different opinion than the majority. But that's what the country is based in: freedom to have thoughts and express them whether popular or not among a particular segment.

    Far as I saw, he exercised that basic right with other citizens. Their reaction is their reaction. He's not responsible for that. They are.

    I applaud his courage to continue on in the face of such hostile opposition. It's much easier to agree with the majority.

    I also applaud all in that wrangle, I know all - no matter the "way" or the "side" - were motivated by the same thing: a burning desire to never have to see again what we all have been traumatized by, the images of those kids. That united all of us. And the horrible realization that we were afar from those who are there, the parents and kin of all the dead - suffering unimaginable anguish. We all desperately wanted to save future others the same pain. Hence the incredibly energetic wrangling.

    Probably there is no final solution, but there may be ways to lessen the danger, and no doubt we finally will have to find that by working together - just like our Founders did when they too no doubt fought, yelled (though maybe not as loud as we do), all felt their way was best: but in the end created this wonderful country together. So I feel if they can do it, we can do it. So in spite of all the wrangling, I thought it was very positive, that thread.

    We are all united in much more than we usually think we are!

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    Where do you draw the line?

    Are you saying you'd be totally okay with being allowed to only have a single shot, break-open .22 cal rifle and a single shot pistol?

    Is that what many consider reasonable?
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