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He is a better person that me the first time I were to get hit with a pellet and I am sure it stings like you know what I would have pulled mine.
"As a strong supporter of our 2nd Amendment rights, I believe tougher enforcement of our nation's existing gun laws must be done before any more laws are enacted and put on the books."
Ah, Mohammed. You have failed. Apparently the Judicial system has put the responsability on the Citizens to remove the garbage from society. You got one more chance.
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I'd hate to be stupid one to bring a pellet gun to a GUN fight. You lose!! There is no fair fight, and no second place award. Win the fight. Pellet gun shooter would be wearing a body bag I'm afraid.
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^^^^^^^^^^It didn't say in the article^^^^^^^^^^^^
If it was a rifle or pistol, but I will go on the belief that it was a pistol, which in MI. you still must obtain a pistol purchase permit, even though its only a pellet gun.
I believe I would have drawn on him, to get him to stop, and if he didn't he most likely would have taken lead.
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Well for one thing the term "pellet gun" is ill-defined at least in terms of the media. In my day a pellet gun fired .177 or .22 lead pellets and if you were hit in the face with these, it would (a) hurt like hell and (b) could even kill. But today Airsoft pistols that fire plastic hollow balls are often called "pellet guns". That is a far different thing!
Either way, though, if I was attacked with one I would draw and shoot, as most here would.
Anti-gunners seem to believe that if we just pass enough laws, we can have utopia. Unfortunately, utopia is NOT one of our choices.
"i see your pellet gun and raise you a 9 mm"
"i see yours, now let me show you mine"
this would be the time for a one liner as you draw.
He followed & harassed them in the store.
They did not report the behavior to anyone there.
THEN they left with the nut following them.
THEN: He tried to KILL THEM.
SAY WHAT?Investigators said Quinnell fired 20 shots at close range at Mohammed,
as they walked across the parking lot.
From beginning to end, this was a failure in every aspect.
If I was an instructor I would use this incident in every class,
demonstrating the entire chain of failure.
1) I'm sure I would have drawn and fired. Pellet gun or not. Pellet in the eye /jugular - gave bodily injury or death. But as soon as I saw a gun I am pretty sure I wouldn't be waiting for it's report to determine if it's a pellet gun. Furthermore, one cannot rely on the report - the guy could have a suppressor.
2) I wouldn't be so hard on the victim for choosing not to draw. We don't know all the facts. Maybe something happened before the guy started shooting, or maybe he just made the decision that he was not in enough danger to kill the man. The latter may be an incorrect decision, but we were not there. You all know how these news reports are often loose with the facts.
Sorry but if this guy would have pulled a pellet gun on me I would have drawn on him, and I think the outcome would have been very different. I would assume there would be a trial if deadly force was used, but how can you tell the difference between a pellet pistol and a .22 pistol. LEO's I am sure have run into this issue before.
On it's surface, it's a pretty clear cut case of lawful self defense. Especially with the perps gun laying at his feet in the parking lot as evidence he had it out and was ready to use it. The fact that it would have turned out to be "just a pellet gun" would not have had a bearing on the facts of the case. The facts would have been that you shot an "armed attacker." Case closed.
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An up close pellet into the eye and into the brain could have been deadly...20 shots in the face?
I wonder why the permit holder was CCing a firearm? Certainly not for self-defense...
I believe that I may have chosen a different response.
A dirtbag with 50 previous incidents with the law? Why?
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"On it's surface, it's a pretty clear cut case of lawful self defense. Especially with the perps gun laying at his feet in the parking lot as evidence he had it out and was ready to use it. The fact that it would have turned out to be "just a pellet gun" would not have had a bearing on the facts of the case. The facts would have been that you shot an "armed attacker." Case closed. "
^^^Methinks that also. In the heat of the battle, a pellet gun can look and sound very much like a .22, and easily put one in fear of one's life.
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Pellet guns have killed many times and are not toys, I would respond with deadly force if I had to.
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20+ shots to the face? I'd have returned fire, too. I have one good eye, and if I lost it to some joker with a pellet gun, I'd be a bit mad.
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