Farrakhan on 'Django Unchained': 'It's Preparation for Race War'

[SayVandelay]

[Originally Posted by OldVet

If Foxx and Jackson were men of principles, they would have refused to play those parts and to repeatedly say the "N" word. But they get paid soooo well to do it they just can't refuse.
Plus, they have professional integrity and will follow the script and will listen to the director.

Stir and waft the stew, yup. It's not done yet. ]

Their "professional" participation is entirely voluntary and rewarded with a healthy paycheck. Yet each would be highly offended if they words they use "professionally" were used on them.

Well Sam Jackson and Jaimee Foxx probably grasp the meaning of the word context, and they certainly appreciate good story telling. Even during much more racially heated times, people like Mark Twain could write "the "n" word" without having a mob of finger pointers chasing them around. And in the same understanding of the meaning of context, they'd have every right to get mad if it was actually used as a slur against them. These arguments against the movies and the artists involved are just weak and embarrassing as a white american. It's like arguing my right to carry a gun with people who dont know anything about them

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[Doghandler]

[Originally Posted by OldVet

If Foxx and Jackson were men of principles, they would have refused to play those parts and to repeatedly say the "N" word. But they get paid soooo well to do it they just can't refuse.]

"Plus, they have professional integrity and will follow the script and will listen to the director.

Stir and waft the stew, yup. It's not done yet."

Their "professional" participation is entirely voluntary and rewarded with a healthy paycheck. Yet each would be highly offended if they words they use "professionally" were used on them.

Look, I'm a judicious user of the N-word and so are they so..........

draw your weapon with a pencil

[Pistology]

Sorry, but I'd still take creativity from the independent movie makers over movies that are watered down by production notes and PC movie executives. Same for TV. There's a reason why "Greys Anatomy" is on CBS and shows like "Sons of Anarchy" and "Breeaking Bad" are on cable, because those networks appreciate good creative writing, and real dialogue.
The "n" word, as we like to call it, is appropriate to the setting of the movie. And of course the news is reporting that people are walking out. Since when did we start believing anything we see on the news? My Black friends arent that ridiculous, and they know the difference between watching a movie and real racism.

And if you want watered down garbage go see what Steven Spielberg did with "Lincoln". It's nice and fluffy

If you mean watered down language, I found it representative of the northern elite of the time AFAIK, without any gratuitous language that one expects of Tarentino. If you mean watered down violence, the expression of the actors reflect the hearts and souls of those against backdrop of the final days of the Civil War. Anyway, both Django and Lincoln are thumbs up as is (last and least) Gangster Squad.

[SayVandelay]

If you mean watered down language, I found it representative of the northern elite of the time AFAIK, without any gratuitous language that one expects of Tarentino. If you mean watered down violence, the expression of the actors reflect the hearts and souls of those against backdrop of the final days of the Civil War. Anyway, both Django and Lincoln are thumbs up as is (last and least) Gangster Squad.

I think it reflects an image and a sentiment we were taught and expected to believe, but other than that, what they put on paper is all we were left with. American History is full of fluff, and Spielberg was never going to be the guy to make anything honest out of it. Tarantino doesnt go after history, it's a story about a freed slave done in blaxploitation style, it doesnt have to be honest, but in a way it more so is.

[Pistology]

I think it reflects an image and a sentiment we were taught and expected to believe, but other than that, what they put on paper is all we were left with. American History is full of fluff, and Spielberg was never going to be the guy to make anything honest out of it. Tarantino doesnt go after history, it's a story about a freed slave done in blaxploitation style, it doesnt have to be honest, but in a way it more so is.

You capitalize "American History" as a school course. History is full of surprises, not to mention contemporaries, as far as who the real friends and foes of life, liberty, happiness and the Constitution are. I guess that's that crux of it.
Education is but the ability to educate oneself. If one can't do that, then one doesn't have an education above the primary level. There are plenty of historians and librarians to help one who seeks a fuller picture even if it is grittier and less romantic than the popular belief.

[SayVandelay]

You capitalize "American History" as a school course. History is full of surprises, not to mention contemporaries, as far as who the real friends and foes of life, liberty, happiness and the Constitution are. I guess that's that crux of it.
Education is but the ability to educate oneself. If one can't do that, then one doesn't have an education above the primary level. There are plenty of historians and librarians to help one who seeks a fuller picture even if it is grittier and less romantic than the popular belief.

The best history teacher I ever had told us on our first day to put our book at the bottom of the locker and never take it out. Later in the year someone asked why he hates the book. He took out the book and showed us the 5 chapters about the Civil War. Then he showed us the ONE page about Vietnam. That's how I learned about self education.

[OldVet]

Ah lurned al abot selph edukation two.

[Doghandler]

Same as it ever was

[OD*]

Same as it ever was

Love Daivd Bryne, hard to believe he has an IQ of 140+.

[Doghandler]

Not hard for me to believe. High IQs are a dime a dozen in my work place.

[Jeanlouise]

I wonder if most of the big mouths are just that...big mouths. Are they capable of coordinating any real threat?
When I see/hear Farrakahn spouting off in his super slithery voice, he seems to be a more clown like than threatening.

Are the "free phones" group capable of acting as a coordinated group or are they so dependent on the government that they would be paralized if expected to perform?

Is that naive or realistic thinking?

[RichB70]

I am a movie buff, but I will draw the line on this one. Jamie stating "I loved shooting all those white people" did it for me.



Rich

[OldVet]

Having a high IQ doesn't make one not stupid.

[SayVandelay]

I am a movie buff, but I will draw the line on this one. Jamie stating "I loved shooting all those white people" did it for me.

That's not the quote and even the misquote is taken out of context...

“I play a slave. How black is that? I have to wear chains. How whack is that? But don’t worry. I get free. I save my wife and I kill all the white people in the movie. How great is that?”

He killed all the white people in the movie, all of which were racist slave owners. People are getting ridiculous hand picking these lines an twisting them from their original context. Everyone needs to grow a pair, and find something that's actually worthy of all this outrage. If I didnt know better I'd think you were all leftist finger pointers...I'm supposed to be the liberal

[Chevy-SS]

No matter how much we have become integrated, less racist and more acceptable of those who may have a different colour of skin, there will always be the race baiters. They have a purpose and that is to keep racism alive and well. If it is gone then what will they do? They can't scream racism if it is gone now, can they?

Mr. Farrakahn is a prime example of how not to eliminate racism. Mr. Jackson and Mr. Sharpton also "racists", put in their two cents on the issue as well.

If these people don't get the press they strive for then sooner or later their message of hate will disappear as a Seals & Crofts song once said "Like the vapour in the desert." Don't give them the attention or time they want. That is the way.

Yes, yes, this is the more appropriate response IMHO. I would take it even further. I would advocate responding with non-violence, compassion and love as much as possible. We should take a lesson from Ghandi. "When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible but in the end, they always fall - think of it, always.." by Mahatma Gandhi

Don't get me wrong. I'm still gonna be armed and defend my family if necessary - but I am gonna dish out 'truth and love' whenever possible.