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    Gun Control Question

    So by 2015, gun deaths are set to surpass car accident fatalities. There are many factors are influencing this number including high gas prices, which equals less driving, and there are much safer cars on the road. Mass shootings are in the news...

    Now, anti-gun folk and even moderates are calling for new legislation on gun control. I know I am preaching to the choir here on my disagreement with said proposed legislation as it is more or less feel good, reactionary legislation and fails to address the real, underlying issues behind mass shootings (mental health being a primary issue, and the fact that criminals are going to do what criminals do, no matter how many laws there are on the books).

    One of the items up for discussion and possible ban is the private sale of guns (aka, the gun show loophole). So here is my question:

    Are a significant number of gun crimes committed by people who can legally own, and have legally purchased their weapons privately from another gun owner?

    I have tried searching for an answer for this and have not found any specific stats that can definitively answer this question.

    I suspect the answer is its awfully low, but I would like to find hard stats.


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    Take a look at a thread that I recently created here:
    REAL and ACCURATE Firearm Statistics

    If you are interested, you can help me compile some data. I haven't had time to add much more to the info that I am gathering. In the end, I plan on creating some professional quality infographs to display the information.

    There is a lot of misinformation and misnomers surrounding the words "gun deaths".

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    The only thing that matters, is to look at the people doing the killing. Take out those that broke laws by having possession of a gun, and then look at the numbers.

    What you will see, is that by and large, most of the murders committed are committed by someone already wiping their rear end with toilet paper made up of existing laws. That's how much impact they make.

    You will also see that most murders, with guns or otherwise, are done in very specific areas against people of similar backgrounds. Basically, large poor urban areas with traditionally two ethnic groups. Black and Hispanic. They tend to kill off each other. The numbers submitted to the Department of Justice prove that.

    If you want to call me racist for pointing out that fact go right ahead. I'm not making any statements based on the data, I'm just relaying what the facts having been saying since before I was in high school. If a difference was to be made, people should look at the data, and make a correlation from that data.

    Never mind the fact that programs like the NRA's Eddie Eagle one are proven to reduce improper gun handling which has had a direct correlation in fewer accidents in the homes of people who have participated in such programs.

    If you look at the facts, gun bans, because it is not control, are useless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nkanofolives View Post
    So by 2015, gun deaths are set to surpass car accident fatalities. There are many factors are influencing this number including high gas prices, which equals less driving, and there are much safer cars on the road. Mass shootings are in the news...

    Now, anti-gun folk and even moderates are calling for new legislation on gun control. I know I am preaching to the choir here on my disagreement with said proposed legislation as it is more or less feel good, reactionary legislation and fails to address the real, underlying issues behind mass shootings (mental health being a primary issue, and the fact that criminals are going to do what criminals do, no matter how many laws there are on the books).

    One of the items up for discussion and possible ban is the private sale of guns (aka, the gun show loophole). So here is my question:

    Are a significant number of gun crimes committed by people who can legally own, and have legally purchased their weapons privately from another gun owner?

    I have tried searching for an answer for this and have not found any specific stats that can definitively answer this question.

    I suspect the answer is “it’s awfully low,” but I would like to find hard stats.

    As an example, Jeanine Piro recently told Hannity that in her 30 years of law enforcement,she experienced only one murder by a legal gun owner. That claim starts aroun d the five minute mark.

    Protecting Gun Owners - Judge Jeanine Pirro On Hannity!! - YouTube

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    "So by 2015, gun deaths are set to surpass car accident fatalities."

    Says who?
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    Please read and vote.
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    Guess they were not happy with the poll results the first time, so USA Today is running another one...Vote Now.

    Attorney General Eric Holder, has already said this is one of his major issues. He does not believe the 2nd Amendment gives individuals the right to bear arms. This takes literally 2 clicks to complete. Please vote on this gun issue question with USA Today. Then pass the link on to all the pro-gun folks you know. Hopefully the results will be published later this month.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldVet View Post
    "So by 2015, gun deaths are set to surpass car accident fatalities."

    Says who?
    This is including death's by suicide. The media usually forgets to add that little tidbit. Homicides and accidental deaths come nowhere close.

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    you can't find them because it woulkd shoot down the libs argument.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldVet View Post
    "So by 2015, gun deaths are set to surpass car accident fatalities."

    Says who?
    Simply Google - "Gun Deaths 2015"

    Here is one of the first articles that pops up:

    American Gun Deaths to Exceed Traffic Fatalities by 2015 - Bloomberg

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    Quote Originally Posted by nkanofolives View Post
    Here is one of the first articles that pops up:

    American Gun Deaths to Exceed Traffic Fatalities by 2015 - Bloomberg
    I wouldn't necessarily rely on a Bloomberg owned publication to be objective.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeanlouise View Post
    I wouldn't necessarily rely on a Bloomberg owned publication to be objective.
    This.

    There may be a slight bias in a rag owned by one of the most vocal antis in the country...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeanlouise View Post
    I wouldn't necessarily rely on a Bloomberg owned publication to be objective.
    That's kinda like asking the crack dealer if crack is bad for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeanlouise View Post
    I wouldn't necessarily rely on a Bloomberg owned publication to be objective.
    sigh...

    how did i know a comment like that was going to come...

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    Quote Originally Posted by nkanofolives View Post
    sigh...

    how did i know a comment like that was going to come...
    Because you're smart?
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    Quote Originally Posted by nkanofolives View Post
    sigh...

    how did i know a comment like that was going to come...
    because its likely true? Bloomberg is the most vocal anti-gun person in the country, with his armed security around him. Perhaps you can find a pro-gun article in a Bloomberg owned publication?
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