Second house on NY gun map broken into, guns stolen

Second house on NY gun map broken into, guns stolen

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    Second house on NY gun map broken into, guns stolen

    This is the second house where the thieves were after the guns.

    I suspect we will likely see stories like this in the coming months. Could be a coincidence, homes do get broken into all the time, but I doubt this was random.




    Journal News map-listed guns, permits stolen from New City home, cops say

    Two handguns and two pistol permits were stolen from the New City home of a man whose name and address are listed on the website of a local newspaper as possessing gun permits, police said.

    The thieves ransacked the house Wednesday night, breaking into two safes on the home's third floor and stealing a third safe. The guns were in the stolen safe, police said.

    Clarkstown police said they had no evidence the burglary was connected to the controversial map.

    "The burglary is still under investigation and there are no facts to support this correlation at this time," Clarkstown Sgt. Joanne Fratianni said in a statement. "If the investigation develops further information, it will be released accordingly."

    Family members at the burglarized home refused to speak Thursday and police are keeping reporters off the property on the quiet suburban street.
    "At this early point in the investigation, we believe it is a random crime and the home was not targeted," Clarkstown Det. Lt. Charles Delo told News12.
    The burglary comes less than a week after a White Plains homeowner who, too, was listed on the Journal News website as having gun permits, arrived home to find his home burglarized with jewelry missing and an attempted break-in of his gun safe. The thieves were not successful and no guns were stolen.

    White Plains Police Commissioner David Chong said Monday it was "premature" to connect that burglary to the website listing but said it was part of the police investigation.

    The guns that were stolen in New City included a .45 caliber Colt revolver and a .22 caliber Iver Johnson. Cash, U.S. Savings Bonds and jewelry were also stolen.

    The homeowner's stolen pistol permits were for Rockland and Orange counties.

    The Journal News has come under fire from elected officials and police groups for posting the interactive map Dec. 23 that showed the names and addresses of all legal gun permit holders in Westchester and Rockland counties.

    The newspaper has not responded to numerous calls for comment.

    The head of the White Plains Police Benevolent Association, Robert Riley, has been one of the fiercest critics of the Journal News map, saying it puts the lives of police and ordinary citizens in potential danger.

    "The Journal News printed a virtual treasure map for criminals," Riley said Monday. "It lets the bad guys know who is vulnerable, due to not having a gun permit, and where to go if they wanted a gun."

    Journal News map-listed guns, permits stolen from New City home, cops say


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    That paper needs to be sued for all it's worth, then double it.

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    Hopefully they get taken to the cleaners with lawsuits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nkanofolives View Post
    This is the second house where the thieves were after the guns.
    Quote Originally Posted by From the article
    Clarkstown police said they had no evidence the burglary was connected to the controversial map.

    "The burglary is still under investigation and there are no facts to support this correlation (to the Journal map 'outing') at this time," Clarkstown Sgt. Joanne Fratianni said in a statement. "If the investigation develops further information, it will be released accordingly."
    Hard to say, yet. With everyone outed in that county, it's entirely possible it's simply the normal course of things there, quite possibly it was just that homeowner's time. Though as these situations keep coming, the stats might very likely begin to show a strong correlation.


    But, there are clear threats being made to officers and family members based on knowing where they live ... at least according to this article:

    Quote Originally Posted by Journal News gun permit map endangers officers, Jan 4 2013
    Criticism of The Journal News, which published a gun permit database last month, broadened Friday with Rockland law enforcement officials saying the map listing the names and addresses of those with gun permits is endangering lives.

    Inmates at the Rockland County jail are taunting corrections officers by saying they know the guards' home addresses -- information they got from the list published by Westchester-based newspaper, Rockland County Sheriff Louis Falco said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Domr View Post
    Hopefully they get taken to the cleaners with lawsuits.
    ... and criminal charges of conspiracy and material culpability in contributing to harm/damage to citizens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Domr View Post
    Hopefully they get taken to the cleaners with lawsuits.
    (Playing Devil's Advocate here)

    On what grounds? The paper did nothing illegal, they acquired the info by using the FOIA, which is available to the general public. How are they responsible for any persons criminal activity?


    I do think that a few lawsuits will result from this "important journalist piece"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder71 View Post
    That paper needs to be sued for all it's worth, then double it.
    I agree, but consider...

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    Hey this is a pretty accurate map............IMO.....everyone without Security for their home, should have a system professionally installed and send the bill to the Journal news.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nkanofolives View Post
    On what grounds? The paper did nothing illegal, they acquired the info by using the FOIA, which is available to the general public. How are they responsible for any persons criminal activity?
    If I provide the specific locations of each and every $100K Mercedes-Benz in the area and post the contact information about those people on some public list, and it then turns out that an extremely uncharacteristic percentage of those cars then gets stolen immediately following publication of that list, it's hard to argue the outing of those folks failed to cause damage directly because of the publication.

    It's still early days, yet. But when all is said and done, if there's a strong trend that can't be explained away by anything else, I'd say a strong case could be made for criminal charges for contributing to the situations. Merely having a product is the owner's choice, as is opting to garage it our leave it out, drive it or make it a garage-queen. But material harm is exactly that, if it can be shown to clearly relate. (MB didn't cause anything by simply making a "good" product; nor does Glock, by making an effective one. But those who draw maps for paths to "the gold" ought to be held responsible for doing so.)
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    If you sue them for all there worth and double it you only end up with a dime !!!

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    What this newspaper has done is pretty bad, and it will probably end up closing them down from lack of $$$...lots of readers have dropped them.

    On a side note, the dirtbags took a safe? Was it a real safe or just one of them metal carrying cases with a code to open it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by retsupt99 View Post
    What this newspaper has done is pretty bad, and it will probably end up closing them down from lack of $$$...lots of readers have dropped them.
    I also heard that advertisers are pulling their ads as fast as they can. Good.
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    I'm thinking the armed guards,they now hired,probably wasn't cheap.

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    Hey.........you have 2 safes in your home ?

    You have way too much money ....Sir.....IMO.

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    Apparently the police can't add 2+2.

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