It seems we can't catch a break

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    It seems we can't catch a break

    Everyday there seems to be a story about some irresponsible gun owner, here is the latest:

    Police: Oregon City man prepping for new job killed girl

    This is what Snap Caps are for people. I know that the press is only going to report the negative stories, but come on folks letís stop handing them issues.

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    There's not a whole lot that needs to be said about that. The story says it all.
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    This is the problem is that passing a NICS check and attending one of those license mill ccw classes, does not prepare anyone for being a gun owner. Guns attract all kinds of people. Some truly buy them for defense, some buy to feel powerful or macho, others buy them to be cool, to show off that they have something others want, etc.. So we end up with gun owners with different agendas and little, if any, training in the use of a handgun. In Florida, as a Vet, I did not have to attend a class or prove proficiency with a handgun before getting my ccw license. Luckily I am a life long shooter and am smart enough to read laws and understand them. However I know people around here who are carrying guns that cannot pronounce the name of their gun much less know how it works. Last year I repaired two guns that were stuck. In both cases a piece of something broke off in the gun when the owner was trying to disassemble it. I had a couple with new ccw licenses ask me to help them with their new gun because it would not shoot. Turns out that they did not know you have to rack the first round into the chamber since they were handed a loaded gun during their class and just had to hit a large piece of paper 3 yards in front of them with it. They did not have to demonstrate that they knew how to load or clear it. This is why we have so many things go wrong. Just look at how many adults leave loaded guns out for kids to find despite the laws we have against that. I am pro gun but I disagree with those who say that anyone who wants a gun should have one. Some people who can pass a NICS check, shouldn't have one because they make it worse for the rest of us. I also feel that the practice of calling guns toys and parading pictures of them with all sorts of accessories and custom colors hurts the cause of those who carry their guns as tools to defend themselves. It presents guns in an unfavorable light to the anti gun people and even those who are on the fence on the issue. When it comes time to take sides I have to think that someone who has been exposed to guns as toys and playthings will not feel that voting for more gun control really does anything but make it harder to buy toys to play with. But, that is just me and I am a dinosaur. :)
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    Tragic doesn't seem to be a strong enough word. I couldn't even imagine being the one responsible for this one.
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    First, there never will be a guarantee that idiots will not get their hand on guns, even if ALL are outlawed.
    Second, today the news people will make up stories if they can't dig them up.
    Third, What they want now is for the 2nd A to be disregarded or repealed.
    Fourth, The 2nd A is not their real target, that is the whole Constitution. The "gun issue" is just the current made up "crisis" designed to make taking away some of our "Rights" palatable to most Americans.

    It is how Socialists operate. Why are our politicians so BLIND?
    Or are they all in on the conspiracy to kill the "American way"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dV8r View Post
    First, there never will be a guarantee that idiots will not get their hand on guns, even if ALL are outlawed.
    Second, today the news people will make up stories if they can't dig them up.
    Third, What they want now is for the 2nd A to be disregarded or repealed.
    Fourth, The 2nd A is not their real target, that is the whole Constitution. The "gun issue" is just the current made up "crisis" designed to make taking away some of our "Rights" palatable to most Americans.

    It is how Socialists operate. Why are our politicians so BLIND?
    Or are they all in on the conspiracy to kill the "American way"?
    Schumer, Bloomberg, Pelosi, Feinstein, et. al., they aren't blind, or stupid. They are calculating, devious, and power hungry. They know exactly what they are doing. What does that tell you?

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    I posted this on another forum (local).

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    And it amazes me how like just yesterday a 9 year old girl was killed here by someone who claims to have been "cleaning his gun" when it went off and striking her as she was outside. The outrage that was there on the news story comments against guns and gun owners was just as scathing as ever. But then the next story was about someone killed when they were hit by a car. And no outrage in the comments. So it really bothers me that they are so focused on a specific type of death and don't care about others, especially when the other causes way more deaths than firearms. And when there is, statistically, a very, very, very low percentage of deaths due to firearms in comparision to other means. Dead is still dead.

    And, it fries my bananas that the anti gunners can't see that we should be educating our kids in schools at all ages of the proper use and care of firearms so that if they some across someone acting in an unsafe manner they can either say so or get the heck out of Dodge. They educate sex but not about something which can kill you, or someone else, faster if not handled properly. Personally, I think the "while cleaning my gun" is a lame excuse and the person was goofing off but at the minimum they were not following the safe rules of firearm handling otherwise someone should not get hit if it does discharge. It makes me extremely irritated every time I hear that excuse.
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    As Wolters was practicing holstering and un-holstering his gun, it went off, police said, and the bullet traveled outside and struck Shonneker.

    He had recently been hired to an armed security job with an armored transport company, and he was practicing handling his gun to prepare him for his new job.
    It sounds more like he was practicing his quick draw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by msgt/ret View Post
    It sounds more like he was practicing his quick draw.
    And of course, failed to unload the gun when practicing those drills. The initial story posted by the paper was the "cleaning my gun" excuse. That's why I posted what I did. But again, the gray matter fails to think of consequences of one's actions and fails to take appropriate steps to keep from initiating tragedy. The updated story makes me feel for the guy. He's got to be totally broken up by it. I am angry about it though too as it should never have been able to have happened and was totally avoidable.
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    I guess we could require an IQ test to carry, but then all off the politicians that want to strip you of your right would loose theirs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dV8r View Post
    First, there never will be a guarantee that idiots will not get their hand on guns, even if ALL are outlawed.
    Second, today the news people will make up stories if they can't dig them up.
    Third, What they want now is for the 2nd A to be disregarded or repealed.
    Fourth, The 2nd A is not their real target, that is the whole Constitution. The "gun issue" is just the current made up "crisis" designed to make taking away some of our "Rights" palatable to most Americans.

    It is how Socialists operate. Why are our politicians so BLIND?
    Or are they all in on the conspiracy to kill the "American way"?
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    Schumer, Bloomberg, Pelosi, Feinstein, et. al., they aren't blind, or stupid. They are calculating, devious, and power hungry. They know exactly what they are doing. What does that tell you?

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    Obviously there are too many of these. It must be the blind who keep voting them?
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    I just don't get how this can happen.

    I mean, are people seriously stupid enough to practice their quick draw in their house with a loaded gun? Obviously, the question is yes, but . . .

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    This is horrible and senseless.One thing my dad,did with me,like other's have,is preach gun safety.It's not rocket science.Well,evidently,for some it is.So,the genius decides to quick draw,in the house with a loaded gun.Wow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dsbjax View Post
    Everyday there seems to be a story about some irresponsible gun owner, here is the latest:

    Police: Oregon City man prepping for new job killed girl

    This is what Snap Caps are for people. I know that the press is only going to report the negative stories, but come on folks let’s stop handing them issues.
    The story does not say if he had a CHL or if he had any training handling a gun.
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    "When it went off..." I love how media outlets state things in this fashion.


    As we know, guns are "dumb"...they only do what we tell them to do.


    This idiot has to live with the fact that he tossed rule #s:


    1. He had to have had the gun oreinted in the direction where the child was.

    2. Practicing "drawing from a holster" with a loaded gun in the house...

    3. His booger hook had to be on the trigger for this to happen (dovetail his with rule #1)



    And lastly, rule #4...I'll leave it at that.


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