Did Lifting Gun Ban Lower Crime Rates in D.C. & Chicago?

Did Lifting Gun Ban Lower Crime Rates in D.C. & Chicago?

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    Thumbs up Did Lifting Gun Ban Lower Crime Rates in D.C. & Chicago?

    Good positive story that kind of counters the "THERE WILL BE BLOOD IN THE STREETS" argument by the libtards...

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    Interesting report, I hadn't seen those numbers yet. Of course this is no shocker to the folks of this forum, we already know the truth about these things. But this is yet another piece of evidence that counters the arguements of the Socialist-Liberal-Democratic-Left.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sheldon J View Post
    Did Lifting Gun Ban Lower Crime Rates in D.C. & Chicago?

    Good positive story that kind of counters the "THERE WILL BE BLOOD IN THE STREETS" argument by the libtards...
    Well, to be fair, upstanding folks still cannot carry in either of those two places. And upstanding gun owners are still treated incredibly hostilely by the so-called "authorities."

    Nice to see violent crime going down. Though, it's down in many places as well. Hard to know if the latest rulings "caused" this drop. Very likely not.

    But once people carrying begin to represent a significant percentage of folks, to the point it's a fair bet that a violent felon will hit a brick wall and fail during a job, then I'll start to really believe such numbers.

    Interesting, that Los Angeles was the other town the reporter was from. In that town, where no change in the heavy-handed, might-well-never-issue arrangement occurred over the last five years, murders are down ~40% and ag.assaults are down ~25%, though flat over the past two years. Still, Los Angeles only experiences about one-sixth the number of murders that Chicago does, in a given year.

    And their reference to Florida was used as an example of "blood running in the streets," immediately following the mindless DC bureaucrat's claim that this is the only thing that would result from lifting prohibition. Well, it depends on whose blood. So long as upstanding citizens' blood stops flowing, or at least is largely curtailed, that's a good thing. Florida's reaping these benefits, with violent felons galore (a) continuing to gun themselves down and (b) upstanding citizens continuing to stop predators while surviving it themselves.

    Strange report. Sounded typically anti-gunner lefty-lib to me, little different than much of the other drivel we hear about. They did have Lott on there, sure, and they did make a few conciliatory comments, but it sounded just like another Chicken Little type rant dressed up as "news."
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    Truth be told, it's basically impossible to prove a causal relationship.

    However, what can't be debated is that 2A specifically states that citizens have the right to own and carry (keep and bear) firearms.

    All the progressive bullcrap is basically irrelevant.
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    I was flipping thru channels and the show Vice on HBO which claims to be documentaries but seems to be mostly left wing agenda driven stuff was talking about the gun problem in Chicago and the Police chief says the problem isn't the ban on guns in chicago, it's the availability of guns out in the suburbs. The inner city people go and buy them and bring them back to the city. He thinks they would have much less gun violence in the City Limits if they would ban guns in the suburbs.

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    As has been pointed out, the hurdles to legal ownership of firearms in Chicago and DC are still pretty extensive. I would like to see some stats on gun ownership since the bans were lifted before I put too much stock in the numbers quoted in the report. It strikes me that DC and Chicago are places where there are more murders, so they have a bigger impact on the national and state level stats. I'm sure a large drop in the murder rates there is a large part of the change in the overall numbers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OkSlim View Post
    I was flipping thru channels and the show Vice on HBO which claims to be documentaries but seems to be mostly left wing agenda driven stuff was talking about the gun problem in Chicago and the Police chief says the problem isn't the ban on guns in chicago, it's the availability of guns out in the suburbs. The inner city people go and buy them and bring them back to the city. He thinks they would have much less gun violence in the City Limits if they would ban guns in the suburbs.
    I've heard that excuse in DC too, but then it begs the question of why the criminals are there to begin with. Obviously it's not the availability of the guns that drives the violence, if the same guns are available to the people in the suburbs. Using that logic, there should be more violence in the suburbs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebucketeer View Post
    I've heard that excuse in DC too, but then it begs the question of why the criminals are there to begin with. Obviously it's not the availability of the guns that drives the violence, if the same guns are available to the people in the suburbs. Using that logic, there should be more violence in the suburbs.
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    Unsurprising that a brainwashing agenda makes its way to "programming." Programming is the right word for it.
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    Libturd anti-gun programming doesn't work on me. I just tune out their lies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebucketeer View Post
    As has been pointed out, the hurdles to legal ownership of firearms in Chicago and DC are still pretty extensive. I would like to see some stats on gun ownership since the bans were lifted before I put too much stock in the numbers quoted in the report. It strikes me that DC and Chicago are places where there are more murders, so they have a bigger impact on the national and state level stats. I'm sure a large drop in the murder rates there is a large part of the change in the overall numbers.
    Great point! Here's my response to a shooting in a "gun free zone":
    The Progressive answer to this is that the GFZ simply wasn't big enough. You see, in WI (and MI) you can have a pistol in the car in the parking lot, just not in the casino itself. So the GFZ should include the parking lot too. That would solve all our problems...until someone parks on the street and puts a gun in the glovebox.

    So Progressives say fine. No guns within 500 feet of a casino parking lot. That will solve all our problems...until a guy drives home to get his gun. Then the Progressives get their gun free state.

    That would solve ALL our problems...because you never hear states like NJ, NY, or MA complain about laws in neighboring states.
    I'm reciting this from memory, so I apologize for any fuzzy fact recollection.
    I saw these numbers in the year that followed the Heller and McDonald decision. I think the data is a couple years old. Chicago reacted by changing their pistol law to somehow essentially require a city resident buy pistols within the city limit, then banned gun shops in the city.

    The gun crime rate in Chicago and D.C. did drop by over 30% for a while. You saw stories of people defending their homes with firearms. It has since gone back up. Probably after criminals realized the cities weren't really going to let residents have more guns.

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