Bad: Chicago -- 41 shot, 6 dead over weekend

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    Bad: Chicago -- 41 shot, 6 dead over weekend

    6 dead, 41 shot in weekend violence | Homicide Watch Chicago @ Chicago Sun-Times.

    Quote Originally Posted by From the article
    Six men are dead and at least 41 others were wounded in gun violence across the city since Friday afternoon.

    The number of people killed or wounded over the last few days added up to the single-most violent weekend in Chicago this year. Those killed ranged in age from 16 to 40.

    Overall homicides are down this year when compared to the same time last year. This decline has prompted Mayor Rahm Emanuel and police Supt. Garry McCarthy to tout the effectiveness of revamped police tactics.

    “We had 8 fewer shooting incidents this weekend compared to the same weekend in 2012,” police spokesman Adam Collins wrote in an email sent out early Monday.

    “While we’ve had fewer murders to date this year than any year since the mid-1960s, there’s more work to be done and we won’t rest until everyone in Chicago enjoys the same sense of safety,” Collins wrote.

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    Well, concealed-carry isn't going to come too soon, for many, in Chicago. Hopefully folks will begin to fully take advantage of their new-found ability to defend themselves while out and about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ccw9mm View Post
    Well, concealed-carry isn't going to come too soon, for many, in Chicago. Hopefully folks will begin to fully take advantage of their new-found ability to defend themselves while out and about.
    Do you really think that the vast majority of these shootings had someone involved that would have qualified or should have had a conceal carry permit. Let's be honest with ourselves, the vast majority of shootings in the US is one criminal shooting at another criminal.

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    Gun free zones? How is that working for you Chicago?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrBuckwheat View Post
    Gun free zones? How is that working for you Chicago?
    It has nothing to do with Gun Free Zones, New Orleans has 4 times the amount of gun violence per capita as Chicago and they don't have the same restrictions. Chicago is acutally 27th last I heard in gun violence. Chicago shows that gun control does not work, but it doesn't show that gun control makes it worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OutWestSystems View Post
    Do you really think that the vast majority of these shootings had someone involved that would have qualified or should have had a conceal carry permit. Let's be honest with ourselves, the vast majority of shootings in the US is one criminal shooting at another criminal.
    Nope.

    The news article is simply relayed, here, as an example of what folks are dealing with in Chicago. Every situation is different. Many are robbed, mugged, attacked or otherwise unrelated to the thugs/mob/criminal element in Chicago, other than being targeted. Of 41 people shot, plus God knows how many others were stabbed/beaten or otherwise attacked during the same time period, hard to say how many were strictly 'banger/criminal related ('banger on 'banger thinning of the herd, for example).
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    Quote Originally Posted by OutWestSystems View Post
    Do you really think that the vast majority of these shootings had someone involved that would have qualified or should have had a conceal carry permit. Let's be honest with ourselves, the vast majority of shootings in the US is one criminal shooting at another criminal.
    While the intended target in many of those shootings may have been criminals, there's still a high probability that they involved innocent bystanders who will soon be able to defend themselves. With those 46 people being shot, that probably signifies over 200 rounds flying downrange. Just b/c some idiot isn't specifically trying to shoot you, your family, or friends; if any of you are in danger from their actions, you are justified in shooting back.

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    Drug gang shootings. These are the ones who will have their guns, and will prey upon us all if the stupid politicians get their way.
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    Chicago, Ny, LA, DC, Miami, Houston you have got to have a heck of a reason to live in one of these pits. Too many nice places to live an work in without the liability of living with so many idiots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OutWestSystems View Post
    It has nothing to do with Gun Free Zones, New Orleans has 4 times the amount of gun violence per capita as Chicago and they don't have the same restrictions. Chicago is acutally 27th last I heard in gun violence. Chicago shows that gun control does not work, but it doesn't show that gun control makes it worse.
    Wrong again. Per the FBI, "The data collection methodology for the offense of forcible rape used by Chicago, Illinois, ... does not comply with national UCR Program guidelines. Consequently, its figures for forcible rape and violent crime (of which forcible rape is a part) are not published in this table."

    Wonder why they don't play by the rules everyone else does? What makes you think they are honestly reporting other crimes?
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    [QUOTE=nedrgr21;2792666]
    Quote Originally Posted by OutWestSystems View Post
    It has nothing to do with Gun Free Zones, New Orleans has 4 times the amount of gun violence per capita as Chicago and they don't have the same restrictions. Chicago is acutally 27th last I heard in gun violence. Chicago shows that gun control does not work, but it doesn't show that gun control makes it worse.[/QUOTE

    Wrong again. Per the FBI, "The data collection methodology for the offense of forcible rape used by Chicago, Illinois, ... does not comply with national UCR Program guidelines. Consequently, its figures for forcible rape and violent crime (of which forcible rape is a part) are not published in this table."

    Wonder why they don't play by the rules everyone else does? What makes you think they are honestly reporting other crimes?
    Do you have anything that says that Chicago doesn't report gun crime correctly? If not, you are making assumptions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OutWestSystems View Post
    Do you have anything that says that Chicago doesn't report gun crime correctly? If not, you are making assumptions.
    Yes, the FBI's UCR reporting standards that aren't followed by Chicago, as stated. Example: 2011 Violent Crimes, Chicago IL, Table #8; scroll down to Chicago, then look for superscript-2, and the definition for that below. Though, that caveat in the FBI's UCR reports does indicate it's strictly for forcible rape that the standards aren't followed. Hard to know for certain whether fudging is done elsewhere, given the extreme incentive of Chicago to understate it's defenseless-citizen problem. Not assumptions. Is simply meaningful questioning of what's entirely possible.
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    Chicago. A microcosm of our country if gun control is successful.
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    1) Do you not think many of those forcible rapes involved the use of firearms?

    2) Let's see your cites for Chicago vs NOLA. Here's mine for the FBI (you have to download the table) FBI ? City agency

    Bottom line is that it doesn't matter who most criminals are targeting in these shootings, people should be able to defend themselves. It doesn't matter how much crime rates go down when CC is allowed (yet it always does), in this country it's the people's right to defend themselves and gov't after gov't has shown that they can't protect citizens from criminals. Regardless of the effects of CC, gun control doesn't work so there's no reason to institute it in the first place or allow it to remain in effect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hodad View Post
    Chicago. A microcosm of our country if gun control is successful.
    That would be the same as saying that "New Orleans is a microcosm of our country if there is no gun control". Remember that New Orleans has the highest rate of gun violence and it doesn't have any gun control. Chicago doesn't have gun violence because of gun control, they have gun violence in spite of it.

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