Police shoot liquor store owner who was shooting at robbers (Oklahoma)

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    Police shoot liquor store owner who was shooting at robbers (Oklahoma)

    I came across this while on another site. Wish there were more details, but it shows the danger (not to mention potential legal repercussions) of shooting at a bad guy trying to flee after a robbery. Food for thought... YMMV.


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    Tragic, but he shouldn't have left the store in pursuit. And a good argument for the sash...
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    The moment he stepped out the door, he became a criminal. If you don't know your responsibilities as a gun owner/carrier, don't own/carry one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scottync View Post
    Wish there were more details, but it shows the danger (not to mention potential legal repercussions) of shooting at a bad guy trying to flee after a robbery ...
    The dangers of being mistaken for the BG when chasing someone else.
    The dangers of people (LE, in this case) intervening in a situation where they don't know who's who.

    Those dangers are very real.
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    He not only got shot he paid somebody to shoot him. That really rubs salt into the wound.
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    Shoot 'em all, let God sort them out?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldVet View Post
    Shoot 'em all, let God sort them out?
    When you're LE, seeing someone (anyone) shooting, got unlimited budget for legal defense ... anything's possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brad426 View Post
    And a good argument for the sash...
    Do they issue those with your CCW? Do we get a choice of colors to match our attire? How long before the BGs get theirs?

    Sorry Brad, but I always state with anyone I help, "If the BGs disengage, LET THEM GO! Do NOT follow! It then becomes a LEOs responsibility!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by onacoma View Post
    Do they issue those with your CCW? Do we get a choice of colors to match our attire? How long before the BGs get theirs?

    Sorry Brad, but I always state with anyone I help, "If the BGs disengage, LET THEM GO! Do NOT follow! It then becomes a LEOs responsibility!"
    Tongue-in-cheek, dude.
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    The part where He [the owner] kept shooting after the police arived, could have been the tunnel vision effect. He may not have been aware that the Cops had even arived. DR
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    You gotta know the line between defense and offense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by onacoma View Post
    Do they issue those with your CCW? Do we get a choice of colors to match our attire? How long before the BGs get theirs?

    Sorry Brad, but I always state with anyone I help, "If the BGs disengage, LET THEM GO! Do NOT follow! It then becomes a LEOs responsibility!"
    I don't know about the law in OK, but that is the law in NC. When they turn and run, or cease to be a threat either by their action, or stopping their advance due to gunshot wounds, the justification for the use of deadly force also ceases.
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    There are a few states in which you can use deadly force for a fleeing felon, OK is not one that I know of. As a general rule it falls under Tennessee vs. Garner, which says that deadly force is not acceptable when a felon is trying to get away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OutWestSystems View Post
    As a general rule it falls under Tennessee vs. Garner, which says that deadly force is not acceptable when a felon is trying to get away.
    A couple of corrections. The SCOTUS ruling applied only to unarmed suspects who were fleeing and it also only applied to LEOs. Codified law for civilians is quite different and also quite varied amongst the states.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brad426 View Post
    Tongue-in-cheek, dude.
    I apologized after giving Do-Do! Brad a little thin today?


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