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    So - How many NYPD does it take to shoot two women when missing unarmed perp

    Real Title: Two bystanders struck by NYPD cops opening fire on suspect near Times Square
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    By Thomas Tracy AND Rich Schapiro / NEW YORK DAILY NEWS


    My Comments: Based on the pictures, I smell a very lucrative Civil Suit that might be setteled out of court......even better, it appears that the perp was not even armed...........talk about the Police State mentality..............................

    The 35-year-old man police were aiming for was acting erratically around the Port Authority Bus Terminal at 42nd St. and 8th Ave., sources say. Witnesses heard four shots, and two women, ages 54 and 35, were struck.


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    EDIT UPDATE: Breaking - here is video of the shooting (well, the area of the shooting).



    Read more: Two bystanders struck by NYPD cops opening fire on suspect near Times Square: sources - NY Daily News
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    Remind me not to get run over by a taxi in NY. Apparently being disoriented after being struck by a car in NY is reason enough to have NY PD attempt to shoot you. It also seems that being anyone other than the intended target if more dangerous than being the actual target in NY.
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    Don't these guys have tasers? There don't seem to be many clear shots in a place like that, and the NYPD has historically proven to have a low level of marksmanship.
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    Strange, that the Taser wasn't used. Then again, he'd been "erratic" in his behavior, was very large and strong-looking, and wouldn't take his hands out of his pockets as police approached. Play that game, and you get what you get.

    And, strange that shots are fired in the middle of Times Square. Can't imagine firing a single shot there without striking someone downrange. Still, no indication of proximity, direction of fire, how man people in that direction, etc.
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    That looks pretty close-range. I'm gonna guess they panicked. Not a great moment for them.
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    New York's finest in action. Apparently Bloomberg's gun ban includes police training.
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    What a poorly written article.

    But I did enjoy the caption toward the end:

    Related: Rookie cop in Brooklyn Shoots Self in Leg

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    Quote Originally Posted by ANGLICO View Post
    Real Title: Two bystanders struck by NYPD cops opening fire on suspect near Times Square
    NYDailyNews.com
    By Thomas Tracy AND Rich Schapiro / NEW YORK DAILY NEWS


    My Comments: Based on the pictures, I smell a very lucrative Civil Suit that might be setteled out of court......even better, it appears that the perp was not even armed...........talk




    about the Police State mentality..............................





    The 35-year-old man police were aiming for was acting erratically around the Port Authority Bus Terminal at 42nd St. and 8th Ave., sources say. Witnesses heard four shots, and two women, ages 54 and 35, were struck.


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    Read more: Two bystanders struck by NYPD cops opening fire on suspect near Times Square: sources - NY Daily News
    the vast majority of cops are notoriosly bad marksmen...the only practice when it is mandatory
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    Question

    For NYPD officers, specifically, does anyone know what the mandatory training requirements are, in terms of shooting/range time, ongoing training time, whether the cost of their ammo and range time is covered, etc?

    It's hard to extrapolate across the entire department, simply from a few (or even a few dozen) incidents each year in which bystanders are struck. Particularly one so large as the NYPD.
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    This fits right in with Bloomburg's reasoning, if trained police can't be trusted with guns, how can we trust common citizens with guns?
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    Firearms Training
    Basic School qualification requires the recruit to score 84% or higher on each of three consecutive runs of the pistol qualification course. Pistol qualification requires a minimum proficiency score of 84%, at specified distances and within established time limits; shotgun qualification requires 80% proficiency. In addition, all Basic School trainees must pass a comprehensive written examination with a minimum score of 80%.
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    As for the competency of civilians vs. police… It looks like best case a NYPD police recruit gets around two to four days at the range plus maybe up to 33 hours of classroom academics that could relate in some manner to weapons. Every six months they get one day at the range and 95 rounds of ammo for practice on a scripted known-distance target practice style range.
    35000 cops, 200 rounds per year=7,000,000 rounds per year. A major expense item in the budget.

    Those of you who have had to shoot while under threat of return fire are probably better judges of these cops performance than the rest of us. I am pretty sure that if I had to shoot in a crowd, I'd probably hurt a lot more people with misses-and I don't have to contend with a 12lb trigger pull.

    Pretending to shoot at a cop is called suicide by cop. The cop pretty well has to assume that if you have something in your hand and you assume a shooting posture, you are an active shooter. Otherwise, the term used is "died in the line of duty".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doghandler View Post
    This fits right in with Bloomburg's reasoning, if trained police can't be trusted with guns, how can we trust common citizens with guns?
    Answer: because their "trained police" include a large number of bureaucrats who get the bare minimum of range time to pass their quals, so they can focus on the important tasks of shuffling papers and doing PR, while the citizen who pays money and takes his own time for the classes has proven a higher level of interest in proper shooting.

    Of course, no one in politics would dare to point this out, unless they want to get tag-teamed by Bloomberg and the police union.
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    Maybe Bloomberg's next big push could be to make NY triggers required for all handguns everywhere.
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