BAD/GOOD: Trooper's dashcam captures dramatic moment he is in shootout

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    BAD/GOOD: Trooper's dashcam captures dramatic moment he is in shootout

    Trooper's dashcam captures dramatic moment father taking his kids on a road trip shoots officer who returns fire and kills him | Mail Online

    A dashboard camera in a state trooper's car has captured the dramatic moment a father taking his children on a road trip pulled out a gun and shot an officer who then returned fire and killed him.

    Even though the BG was shot in the chest, he was able to get back in his car and drive away. Police found him a half mile down the road, dead in his car.

    If anything can convince us that people don't 'go down' after being shot center mass, this video will.

    Thank God, Trooper Zistel is ok.
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    Jeebus...look at this moronic comment from the shooter's cousin. Talk about having no tact.

    'He would have never shot at a police official or anyone of the law,' his cousin, Will Wright III, said. 'He would not have missed the kill shot either.'
    No Will, your cousin did miss the kill shot. The officer, however, did not.
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    Did anyone else notice him loose his magazine
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    Wowser!!!!

    If you watch, this guy did not actually stand at Parade Rest like one commentater said. His right (gun) hand is not quite held at the same angle as his left arm. However, it IS just about right if he is gripping the pistol stuck in his waistband. AS soon as he started forward, the Trooper should have drawn.........
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    From what I can tell it sounds like the Trooper either had his gun out either behind his leg or low ready and that when suspect advanced they exchanged gunfire about the same time.The fact this guy is in full BDU uniform and not on duty makes you question his mind set,article states previous National Guard service but no mention if he was deployed.Makes you wonder if he liked the attention he got when wearing a uniform andWTH he was thinking getting in a gunfight over a speeding ticket,unless he was kidnapping his kids
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    Thank God Troop's OK! Maybe you guys can see why ALL the magazine articles on gear and tactics is BS. That's how fast things go bad! Sorry, but your expensive guns and BS training acadamies won't prepare you for unexpected, just lighten your wallet!

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    The right training will train you to deal with the unexpected. Pretty broad statement you are making there All. How do you think that trooper survived and the bad guy didn't? Training of course!!!

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    This is a very good example of the difference between incapacitation and lethality...I am glad the trooper is ok....

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    The LEO was probably using FMJ ammo as a lot of departments still require. That just puts a nice clean little hole but doesn't STOP the fight.
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    You are wrong. Training does train you for such things.

    No, they dont have that exact scenario, but they sure train you to get on the clock ASAP, when you see something like that bad guys behavior. The guy didnt follow firm verbal commands, hands hidden, advancing on you.

    Of course having quality training puts you ahead of the game in such a situation. I think there was PLENTY of time to react. EVERYTHING about the bad guy was a clue. I dont mean his look, but not following commands, advancing on you, hand placement.

    If you are talking about no time to react when the BG pulled the gun, thats a perfect argument for good training. You should have been all over it before a gun ever appeared.



    Quote Originally Posted by all357mag View Post
    Thank God Troop's OK! Maybe you guys can see why ALL the magazine articles on gear and tactics is BS. That's how fast things go bad! Sorry, but your expensive guns and BS training acadamies won't prepare you for unexpected, just lighten your wallet!

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    Talk about a no win situation for the officer. A person coming toward you that you suspect is going to be trouble, but no weapon shown so you can't just take him out.

    If he would have shot before the gun pulled the gun, you would have gotten all kind of people jumping on him for being trigger happy. But waiting of course risked his life and most likely got him shot. The officer was lucky the shooter only wounded him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob99VMI04 View Post
    Did anyone else notice him lose his magazine
    As the BG returns to the right front of the car (00:35 in the video), he ducks down several times and looks like he's grabbing for something. You can then see him making a motion that seems to be re-inserting the magazine into his gun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OutWestSystems View Post
    Talk about a no win situation for the officer. A person coming toward you that you suspect is going to be trouble, but no weapon shown so you can't just take him out.

    If he would have shot before the gun pulled the gun, you would have gotten all kind of people jumping on him for being trigger happy. But waiting of course risked his life and most likely got him shot. The officer was lucky the shooter only wounded him.
    I mostly agree with this. At 00:23, when the BG closed the car door, the officer would have certainly been justified in acquiring him (far short of "taking him out.") At 00:30, when the BG first moved towards him, the officer would have been derelict if he did not acquire him. Unfortunately, we can't see the officer and thus have no idea when he went for his weapon.

    Someone remarked above about the BG getting back in the car after being shot. It's really not uncommon at all. People get shot and fall down dead in the movies but, in real life, it seldom happens that way. Trauma that doesn't compromise the CNS seldom results in immediate incapacitation.

    As suggested above, there had to be more going on here than a simple speeding stop. The guy has his kids in the car and takes this action over a speeding ticket? Nah....he knew he was guilty of a lot more than speeding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BenGoodLuck View Post
    As the BG returns to the right front of the car (00:35 in the video), he ducks down several times and looks like he's grabbing for something. You can then see him making a motion that seems to be re-inserting the magazine into his gun.

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    The story suggests that the officer shot him. Can you tell at what time stamp that occurred? I can't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by all357mag View Post
    Thank God Troop's OK! Maybe you guys can see why ALL the magazine articles on gear and tactics is BS. That's how fast things go bad! Sorry, but your expensive guns and BS training acadamies won't prepare you for unexpected, just lighten your wallet!
    It may not prevent the unexpected, but it will sure improve your reaction to the unexpected.
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