Obama Administration Report Says Calling Police More Dangerous Than Using Your Gun

Obama Administration Report Says Calling Police More Dangerous Than Using Your Gun

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    Obama Administration Report Says Calling Police More Dangerous Than Using Your Gun

    I read this news story about a construction worker who protected himself from an intruder by drawing his gun. The incident was reported as burglary. COMMUNITY VOICES | Carry permit holder fends off crowbar wielding intruder | Twin Cities Daily Planet

    In it, I noticed a very interesting link to this study (Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence). This is the quote from the article:

    "[I]n June the results of a study commissioned by the Obama administration and conducted by the Institute of Medicine and the National Research Council concluded that "[D]efensive use of guns by crime victims is a common occurrence," and stating that defensive uses of firearms may be as high as 3 million per year. The study also noted that "crime victims who use guns in self-defense have consistently lower injury rates than victims who use other strategies to protect themselves (other strategies include stalling, calling the police or using weapons such as knives or baseball bats)."

    Statistical proof that calling the police is more dangerous than using a gun in self defense. :)


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    Lees thank you for the post I have read the 120 pages and will keep it on my desk top for a week or two to peruse. How did this study get published when the administration paid for it?

    The part I liked was using crime statistics was helpful but a broader multi discipline approach is needed. I take that to mean facts and statistics show using a gun reduces your injuries but that is not what we wanted so we will continue until we get the answer we are looking for.
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    That's a lot of info...thanks for posting. I can't imagine why the Administration and Media have buried it (sarcasm off).
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    Quote Originally Posted by manolito View Post
    Lees thank you for the post I have read the 120 pages and will keep it on my desk top for a week or two to peruse. How did this study get published when the administration paid for it?

    The part I liked was using crime statistics was helpful but a broader multi discipline approach is needed. I take that to mean facts and statistics show using a gun reduces your injuries but that is not what we wanted so we will continue until we get the answer we are looking for.
    ^expect more smoke and mirrors^^^^^^^^^^

    This must be more of the rhetoric, "we don't wanna take away your firearms", right before they actually pass a law somewhere denying somebody the right to own this firearm or that firearm.

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    Thanks for this. I've downloaded the report and now I'll have to go see what's in it and the backgrounds of the committee members.

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    How about some more quotes from the report:
    he variation in these numbers remains a controversy in the field. The estimate of 3 million defensive uses per year is based on an extrapolation from a small number of responses taken from more than 19 national surveys. The former estimate of 108,000 is difficult to interpret because respondents were not asked specifically about defensive gun use.
    A different issue is whether defensive uses of guns, however numerous or rare they may be, are effective in preventing injury to the gun-wielding crime victim.
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    Appreciate the info.
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    Quote Originally Posted by suntzu View Post
    How about some more quotes from the report:
    What's funny is that I don't care if it was 3 million defensive uses or 108,000 (low number). Let's say for argument sake it's only 108,000 defensive uses THATS 108,000 DEFENSIVE USES holy Jeee Wilakers BATMAN! 108,000 defensive uses I'll say it again 108,000 people per year defended their lives with a gun! That's two times as many people than the Brady campaign has members!

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    WHOOPS!!!! Sorry guys and gals just googled Brady campaign and according to the ever trusted WIKI they are down to 28,000 members!
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    Wow the Obama Administration really did publish this. Thanks for posting.
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    Keep reading:

    Even when defensive use of guns is effective in averting death or injury for the gun user in cases of crime, it is still possible that keeping a gun in the home or carrying a gun in public—concealed or open carry—may have a different net effect on the rate of injury. For example, if gun ownership raises the risk of suicide, homicide, or the use of weapons by those who invade the homes of gun owners, this could cancel or outweigh the beneficial effects of defensive gun use (Kellermann et al., 1992, 1993, 1995). Although some early studies were published that relate to this issue, they were not conclusive, and this is a sufficiently important question that it merits additional, careful exploration.
    ...and it goes on. Keep reading.

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    Just like most government sponsored studies...worthless.

    What's the point of the study? Do guns kill? Well, I think we can all answer that question without a "study".

    The only point of an Obama administration study is to shore up their desire to control gun ownership and/or ban guns outright.

    The whole thing is full of contradictions, as excerpted by you ALL. The study means whatever the reader wants it to mean. More money poured down a black hole of wasted tax dollars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeanlouise View Post
    Just like most government sponsored studies...worthless.

    What's the point of the study? Do guns kill? Well, I think we can all answer that question without a "study".

    The only point of an Obama administration study is to shore up their desire to control gun ownership and/or ban guns outright.

    The whole thing is full of contradictions, as excerpted by you ALL. The study means whatever the reader wants it to mean. More money poured down a black hole of wasted tax dollars.
    Agreed.

    And I'm especially skeptical of any study that tries to categorize "gun violence" as a public health issue. Or that has statement like this:
    "Basic information about gun possession, acquisition, and storage is lacking. No single database captures the total number, locations, and types of firearms and firearm owners in the United States (NRC, 2005)...Improving the representativeness of ATF tracing data might help researchers better understand the link between gun sources and gun crime."
    Yeah, sure that's what we need: more ATF infringement of our 2nd Amendment rights!

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    Wait, you mean you guys don't think the government is really there to help us? I'm shocked! ;)
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