Pit bull Attack

[tapout1003]

Thanks Janq ...great post !! Ever had any exp. with a Tibetan Mastiff ? I've been reading about them for years but never ponied up the big money to get one.

[DefensiveCarry.com]

[Janq]

No I've heard of them but have yet to actually see one at any show or dog related outing/event.

There are alot of cool breeeds out there and many are just as mentally and/or physically 'tough' as the AST, and tougher.
I can think of a number off hand that for various reasons would not pass the street tough cred test simply because of how they do not look/appear to be intimidating or cool.

Standard Poodle, Bouvier des Flanders, Rhodesian Ridgeback, Chow, Australian Dingo, Russian Wolfhound, Scottish Deerhound, Irish Wolfhound, and even the Russian Wolfhound aka Borzoi as well as the Dalmatian.

Very obscure breeds such as the Cane Corso though have been picked up on as well and generalized into the 'pitbull' street genre along with the Boxer which is so not a pitbull because of their looks alone.
In Africa street toughs have been capturing hyena pups and rasing them semi-domesticated to walk them around on leash to intimidate people. It's completely ridiculous!

The next American dog fad?...



In the background of the second pic those are on the right _baboons_ onleash. Like the hyena they too are kept as a tough guy pet to look cool/mean and to intimidate others as well as passers by. Baboons and hyenas!

All this really makes me sad.

- Janq

[tapout1003]

Man that's sad. This is what I raise now. Not very mean looking. lol By the way that's a stock pic and not one of mine. At work no pics.

[SIXTO]

The Hyena thing is sad... but I had no idea they are that big. I wonder what level you could train them to, could you imagine one of those things greeting the coupon salesman at the door?

[Janq]

Sixto,

My old Akita was the size of the hyena in the first pic. He was as Akita and dog in general go huge by any persons standard weighing in at 118 to 120 lbs winter weight and 115 to 117 summer, and that was a completely lean well exercised animal and in winter we'd be practically starving him to keep his weight down. At the midpoint of his back which was over 3' across he stood just below my knee and I stand 6'1" with a 32" inseam. People on the street would cross the street when they would see my 5'10" & 120 lb. wife walking him though he was the nicest/gentlest temperment dog I've ever known, except when other dogs came around. My current Akita is roughly the size of the hyena in the third pic at >2 yrs. old and what I estimate to be ~110 lbs. I haven't weighed him since last fall but he's closer to the breed standard and significantly smaller albeit a large dog in his own right. Animals like this and AST/APT require handler and owner experience as well as ongoing care. That means no off leash running around the yard and through the neighborhood scaring the bejesus out of neighbors, children, and the elderly. Things like that occur not because the breed or specific animal is bad, it's the fault of the owner/handler.
As strong and powerful as the AST/APT and Akita are the hyena would eat either and any dog for lunch with ease. Hyena are crazy powerful animals in body and their jaws can exert enough power to crack and _crush_ solid bone on an otherwise live and resisting animal (!).

Hyena are extremely dangerous animals and yet these guys walk around with them on leash (chain) like it's Rin Tin-Tin (!).
These things regularly for survival prey on water buffalo, which are themselves crazy dangerous animals, and known to even kill lions. No Pitt is ever going to get close to that no matter how long it can hang from a tree or whatever some folk think is a show of breed ferocity and toughness.

Anyway at the end of the day bad things will and do happen when bad, stupid, and/or ignorant people get a poor handle of things that have a danger potential be that potential high or low and/or inherent/genetic or not.
I personally do not believe the AST/APT breed is inherently/genetically dangerous, though I'm pretty much sold that hyena are so even as some are walked on a lead and might even be hand fed.

- Janq

[SIXTO]

Your preaching to the choir, I understand canines more than most. I am very active with our K9 program, and have two K9 in my home. One is my retired dog, the other is one who didnt make the cut for medical reasons.
Akita's are very cool dogs, except they rarely like other dogs. I would have one if this were not true.

I still think a hyena would be a neat addition, if it wouldnt eat me and the neighbors.

[tapout1003]

A guy came into the shop yesterday to get some parts with one of the biggest Akitas i've seen. They get a bad rap around here too. No walking without a muzzle. He was 18 months old and very nice. The gentleman removed him from the car sans leash and muzzle after we had a quick talk and he behaved perfectly. It's too bad they get a bad rap. By the way he paid 800.00 from a local breeder for the puppy.

[SIXTO]

Just for kicks, I seached for a place to buy a Hyena. I didnt find any.

But I did find that Theodore Roosevelt kept one as a pet.

[wolvdog316]

This is my first post here so I guess this was a bad topic for me to post too the first time.

To start off im 24, male, I have a 9 year Pit bull male, and I had a 2 year male pitbull but he passed away when he got his stuck in a dog food bag and suffocated. I am a mature own of both pitbulls and guns.

Yet I read on here and it sickens me. The people who are 100% anti Pitbull you guys worry me. Because its people like you who are so so biased over something you really have no idea about. And we, as gunowners, have to fight bias every day. Somebody goes and shoot up a school, now we get the Democrats and Clinton just salivating at the chance to put even more retard restrictions on us. Again, dont punish the wrong, punish the gun. Thats their policy and its wrong. Im a very sensible gun owner. I abide by the rules, I have my CHL in Texas, I never broke the law or even been to jail. And it angers me that civilians get on TV and curse us gun owners as scum or dangerous or time bombs waiting to happen. They dont know us, they dont know that 99% of us are great men and women, respect guns, and respect the laws. They see one bad apple and it is being used to exploit our rights as gun owners

Same thing with Pitbulls. Whens the last time you heard on the news about either A)A person did something GOOD with their gun, or B) A pitbull saves a life, or helps a kid out, or has been a great pet its whole life. Here in Houston its been a while. Positive doesnt sell, doesnt make ratings.

I dont understand, and this only goes for the gentlemen or women that are 100% biased against Pitbulls, how you can expect to protect our laws as gunowners, and expect the Democrats to not intefere in our ability to defend ourselves, when you want to interere in our ability to own and breed a certain type of dog. Thats hipocrsy. At its greatest.

Howcome in the 30-80's Ya never heard about Pitbulls biting anybody? Cause they very seldom did. They was the marketing corner stone of RCA, Coca Cola, Little Rascals Our Gang, and several more. What happend is come late 80's early 90's People, gangs and just sorry people in general, exploited a key key attribute in owning a dog. Loyalty.

And they exploited it to fill their vile deeds. They used it to train these dogs like scum, poision them, feed them steroids, make them run on a treadmil, yet these poor dogs still never attacked their owners. These dogs were being tortured, their testicles shocked, their bodys in pain from countless hours of non eating and treadmil running yet they never ever considered attacking the person responsible for that. You do that with any dog, and they are going to a wrecking force. Only reason why Pitts are popular is cause they are so strong.

I came on this site and I was excited. But the very few of you who have shown no remorse for a dog that probably didnt get to choose its lifestyle is sickening. Especially the guy who said his heart is happy that Pitts die. I mean thats sick, and somebody that sick shouldnt own a gun in my opinion. I dont want ANY dog breed to die, and like the original post of this, I would have probably shot the dog too, based on what happend. But the owner would have seen me if nothing more to bring his dead dog over and maybe punch him a few times.

And PS. I let my 9 year old Pitt play with my 2 yhear old nephew since birth. He has never bit him mauled or anything else. Wanna know why? Cause when I was 15 I raised him to be a cuddler, and he cuddles everybody at 9 years of age.

Anyways thats my rant, and to the people who have a heart, and a brain I look VERY forward to future conversations with you.

[P95Carry]

Hello



Your points are noted and I am sorry you find such diverse opinion on this subject ..... it is tho almost always (and predictably) divisive and IMO always will be.

I closed a thread on this the other day and decided then that if this thread was resurrected I would also close it. This is not because of your post specifically - all opinions and views are welcomed ....... however, leaving it open any longer will not add to the debate any further as most aspects have been covered.

More likely - the antagonism from the different viewpoints will only continue and not add anything useful. I stated when closing the last similar thread that reports of animal attacks and the means by which they were dealt with is fine ..... as valid defensive scenarios, but once we get into the ''breed'' aspect - things usually tend to go south with no real benefit.