Armed Robbery can be deadly even with a fake gun

Armed Robbery can be deadly even with a fake gun

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    Armed Robbery can be deadly even with a fake gun

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16636202/

    HOUSTON - A bar patron shot and killed a man who tried to rob him Sunday night, officials told KPRC Local 2. Harris County sheriff's deputies said the shooting happened outside P & C Place in the 14600 block of Almeda Road near West Riley Road at about 9 p.m.

    Officials said a customer became suspicious when he noticed a man sneaking around the bar's backdoor.

    The patron went to his pickup truck to get his gun, deputies said.

    Deputies said the patron told him the man pointed a shiny object at him and demanded money.

    The customer shot the man, officials said. He died at the scene.

    Officials interviewed the customer. They have not said if he will face charges.

    The weapon the man pointed at the customer was a tool, deputies said.
    Sounds justified to me. Whether the guy was holding a wrench or a pistol, both are deadly to the victim.


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    Sounds like a whole bunch of the story is missing. Not really enough there go make any judgement call on.

    I guess time and the rest of the story will tell.
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    More Facts Will Determine...

    the 'true' event...

    Based on facts as stated...certainly sounds like a fair shooting...

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    Hmmm yeah - sketchy right now. More data needed.

    But true - if someone is menacing and appears to be holding a weapon - and that could be seen as a gun. Then stupid BG. If someone perceives a genuine threat then the onus has to be on the bad guy and here if, money was demanded, well - possibly QED.
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    Quote Originally Posted by farronwolf View Post
    Sounds like a whole bunch of the story is missing. Not really enough there go make any judgement call on.

    I guess time and the rest of the story will tell.
    true, it's a short blurb. But based on the info in the article, it sounds like the guy was in both percieved and actual danger of serious injury.

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    BG couldn't tell the difference between sheep and sheepdog! Big Mistake.
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    Classic "brought a wrench to a gunfight" moment.

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    If you make me "think" you are trying to end my life, you will end up just as dead as if you truly were trying to end my life.

    Once something is pointed at me in a manner to make me believe it is a gun or other deadly weapon, I don't understand the phrase "I was only kidding!"
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    I thought guns were a no no around any place that serves alcohol. can the police charge him on that?I hope not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PT-111 View Post
    If you make me "think" you are trying to end my life, you will end up just as dead as if you truly were trying to end my life.

    Once something is pointed at me in a manner to make me believe it is a gun or other deadly weapon, I don't understand the phrase "I was only kidding!"
    Totally agree... well said...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom G View Post
    I thought guns were a no no around any place that serves alcohol. can the police charge him on that?I hope not.
    In Texas, as long as he was outside the bar, and has a CHL, he's perfectly legal. Now, if he's not CHL, and not "traveling," they might be able to pin something on him.

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    I hope the "bar patron" was not intoxicated at the time of the shooting....
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    Quote Originally Posted by dimmak View Post
    I hope the "bar patron" was not intoxicated at the time of the shooting....
    That too. Forgot about that one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom G View Post
    I thought guns were a no no around any place that serves alcohol. can the police charge him on that?I hope not.
    I think that would depend on your state laws regarding carry and places that serve alcohol. In my state (Arizona) as long as you're not in the bar with a gun, you're good. If he didn't have a permit for the gun and the gun was concealed, he could probably be charged with that. But I'm pretty sure most states having it in your car is kosher because you have to put it some place if you can't bring it into the bar.

    As far as it being a good shoot... Person doing suspicious activity combined with pointing at least a perceived weapon in a way generally accepted as a weapon when combined with "give me your money"... Good shoot in my book. He had the opportunity, at least the perceived means and the intent (e.g. demanding money).

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