I'll call gun on lightbar justifiable.
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Man shoots, kills rampaging psycho who was likely on drugs
A 21-year-old man man was shot and killed this morning during a rampage through an apartment complex, according to the Palm Beach County Sheriff's Office.
The man apparently confronted several residents, broke apartment windows and struck cars with a light bar he ripped off a tow truck, the sheriff's office said. He had stripped off all of his clothes during the rampage.
Shortly after 4 am, he threatened one resident who shot him in the chest.
The man does not live in the apartment complex off of 45th Street east of Haverhill Road, but friends said he often visited to hang out with friends there.
The sheriffs office is not filing charges, but will turn the case over to the state attorney's office.
Funny, there is a lot more detail in the print version of this story in the same paper. In the print version, they mention that the dead guy had FIRED SHOTS at his girlfriend's home; that he had broken into the apartment of some women and some guy, and then threatened the guy who shot him as well as some other people.
Sounds very much like a righteous shoot, even if the shooter did not have awareness of the shots having been fired by the guy. (It was reported that after he shot at her place, he dropped the gun, told her to do whatever she had to do, and then he left to continue rampaging; so it doesn't seem that it was gun-on-gun.)
I'll call gun on lightbar justifiable.
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No doubt! I can't tell from the stories I've seen thus far whether he still had weapon in hand at the time he was shot.
This raises interesting questions and issues.
If the decedent did his shooting in a different location and the defending shooter had no knowledge of this, even though he eventually brought down a guy who had been endangering lives egregiously with a gun, and we can be thankful that the kind of person who would do that is gone, the defender can't use that as an after-the-fact rationale for shooting.
That is to say, if the gun was no longer present, there had better have been a stand-alone rationale for shooting that is independent of how dangerous this guy had been when he had his gun. Hopefully the light bar was being swung, and witnesses will attest.
I wonder what the guy fired at him. I wonder if he had to turn it over as evidence for now.
A naked man breaking windows and smashing car hoods with a light bar, and threatening to do the same to me? Darn straight, if so much as flinches towards me, and is in striking range, he's getting shot. He's clearly in a fit of rage, and it sounds to me like the shooter had every reason to believe this guy was going to immediately follow through on his threat. Here's hoping the DA realizes the same thing.
- Janq sees the result as being reasonable within context of the attackers overall actions
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So - does Janq collect light bars? Impressive collection!!
A delinquent person with almost any conceivable weapon can for sure be a severe threat ..... and initiate a justifiable defence response.
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Yeehaw. Good stuff.
I'll never enjoy someone's life being taken, but if he tore one of those sucker's off a truck... I'd call it justified, too.
yep... if ability and opportunity is present it all comes down to Jeopardy. Darn near anything solid can be an improvised weapon.
If the guy is in a rage and threatening violence, you're in jeopardy.
Should be a clean shoot based on reports thus far.
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;Funny, there is a lot more detail in the print version of this story in the same paper. In the print version, they mention that the dead guy had FIRED SHOTS at his girlfriend's home
I am sure it was just a mistake, yeah right!
Often when we read about shootings in such places in WPB, they involve a defensive shooting by someone whose nose is not real clean, himself. In this case, I lean more toward "good honest gun owner steps in to defend himself and others" but in many reports that is not the case, locally.
I am hoping that the guy doesn't get crucified for having gone to the scene of the trouble toting his gun, and made to look like a vigilante. That's always a possibility. From the reports I've read, he came out to see what was going on, and found the decedent threatening people, and then got threatened himself (or something). I guess he's legal to arm himself, legal to go see what the commotion is (armed in case it's really bad) and legal of course to shoot the threat. Let's see what the local authorities (who tend to be of the head variety around here) try to make of this. I am eagerly awaiting word that the shooter is assured to face no charges, but sometimes the news around here lets the story drop, and doesn't give a damn about releasing followup info like that because it's not as newsy as "defender charged with murder".
If it's a choice of him hitting me upside the head and killing me or incapacitating me for life or me shooting a crazy lunatic that is threatening me with a lightbar or whatever, guess what my choice is going to be.
If it was in Florida like the article said and he was a ccw holder or even if he retrieved it from his vehicle based on the article it was justifiable and thus he should be protected from any prosecution because of the florida "castle doctrine" law..i can't remember the official name of it dangit.
And another one's gone,
And another one's gone,
Another one bites the dust.
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Breaking windows and hitting cars with a light bar broken off a wrecker. This nutbag has great thought processes. More chlorine for the gene pool, please.
A person is justified in the use of deadly force, if such person reasonably believes deadly force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to such person or a third person.
People who go on rampages and take off their clothing are frequently high on PCP. They are EXTREMELY dangerous and only a complete fool would confront them without a fire arm and it'd best be a damned effective one!!!