This is a discussion on Washington state rest area self defense within the In the News: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly forums, part of the The Back Porch category; Originally Posted by Sig 210 "One other thing. I'm sick of people who shoot and then say they feel "remorseful." I can only hope that ...
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give no warning shots, as a rule, and when you shoot shoot to kill
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I agree with Janq and others; the shooter should not have admitted to a warning shot or "just trying to scare him." Mas Ayoob writes of a motorist who was harassed by a road rager with a baseball bat. The rager came at him with the bat and was shot. The shooter told police that he had cocked the hammer of his revolver, then it went off accidentally (in single action mode). He was charged with murder and lost his pharmacy and livelyhood as a result of the high legal expenses in defending himself in court. He had a justified reason to shoot, and should have just stuck to the claim of self defense. The shooter in this post is on very shaky legal grounds in any upcoming civil case.
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I haven't been in that situation yet. But the more evil the person I might kill (based on his actions against me as well as his criminal history), the less likely I would be to feel bad about having had to kill him. If the BG was bad and evil enough, I could see a person feeling no worse about ridding humanity of this malformed creature than, for example, a manufacturer scrapping a Frisbee that came out of the mold wrong and was never going to be of any use to anyone.
I agree that a little "culling" of the human race seems, from time to time, to be the thing to do but keep in mind that Hitler, Stalin, and Mao Tzedong followed that program and we all know there it lead to.
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"Shoot to Stop" Everyone remember that!!
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Man dies two weeks after being shot at rest stop
Posted October 23, 2007
SEATTLE — A 45-year-old man shot in the right temple earlier this month at a rest area along Highway 2 died Saturday night, an official with the Chelan County Sheriff’s Office said Monday.
Authorities found Jay Kneer unconscious Oct. 11 at a rest area about 14 miles northwest of Leavenworth when they were called to the scene by the man who shot Kneer.
The sheriff’s office declined to pursue criminal charges after interviewing the shooter, 66-year-old Dennis Shaw of Lynnwood, who told police Kneer had acted aggressively toward him.
Shaw told police he and his wife had stopped to use the restrooms and Kneer asked him for a ride. Shaw said Kneer grew angry when he refused. Shaw told police Kneer followed him back to his vehicle while yelling and making threatening gestures.
Shaw told police he retrieved a handgun from his vehicle, and then Kneer began swinging a large whiskey bottle at him. Shaw said he fired the gun only in an attempt to scare Kneer.
Sheriff’s office investigators said they did not find any witnesses to the shooting except for Shaw’s wife.
The sheriff’s office has requested an autopsy, said Lt. Kent Sisson.
— Jaime Adame, World staff
To close for missiles, switching to guns.
I really wish Shaw had not said that he fired "to scare" Kneer. I worry that this statement may come back to haunt him.
Moreover, I worry that Shaw was not fully committed to actually defending himself with lethal force, and just kinda got lucky.
But hey, I'm ecstatic that this career criminal psycho is dead of a headwound! Hopefully he spent his last couple of weeks in pain.
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I NEVER use rest stops anymore. They are criminal magnets. I find it just as convenient to stop at a busy exit where there are decent restaurants and lots of people. In this case, the shoot was justified, but wouldn't it have been easier to avoid it in the first place? I don't really want to ever go through the BS involved in dealing with even a good shooting.
I drive a full size panel van, and if I need to get my head down for awhile, I pick out the best motel I can find, park, and snooze in the back. Nobody can see in, and it's quieter than any other place.
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Perhaps they should change it from "Rest" Stop to "Back" Stop or perhaps "RIP" Stop. Agreed on the crap-magnet though. Rest stops always seem to draw the bottom of the barrel in just about every state. I guess the free/easy access to the bathroom/washrooms, vending machines, and sheeple it makes it an easy/welcoming target for the ill-mannered populace.
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"Sure, As long as the machines are workin' and you can call 911. But you take those things away, you throw people in the dark, and you scare the crap out of them; no more rules...You'll see how primitive they can get."