This is a discussion on Justice!! within the In the News: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly forums, part of the The Back Porch category; Originally Posted by ttpete When a group that comprises about 15% of the population commits around 70% of the felonies in this country, mention of ...
You not only profile, you are wrong.
According to 2004 government statistics, 38% of felonies were commited by blacks, 58% by whites, and 3% by other races.
The government tables lump Hispanics with whites, so that is a bit misleading. However, 70% of crimes are NOT commited by blacks.
Blacks comprise about 14% of the US population, Hispanics 19%.
Man about town...
I have no problem with the long sentences - I like them, but they should be applied across the board to everyone, regardless of ethnicity. That would get a few more BG's off the street. (Maybe ttpete should be worrying more about the non-black bad guys. They're getting back on the street quicker) FWIW, crime is commited by minorities against minorities at higher rates than it is against whites. The reverse is also true.
DOJ stats are here:
The main DOJ statistics site is here:
In that case, it is different. In essence, it is saying that because the felony in question was pre-meditated (and the law would then seem to assume that a home invasion is not done on a whim), then the resulting deaths were, as well.
Interesting take. And now I guess since this isn't just garden variety felony murder it may well raise the question of whether the Act is being applied fairly. *shrug* Wouldn't have bothered me if Hughes was 'only' charged with 2nd degree; he certainly earned at least that!
Regardless of what the stats are, if you come through my door at 4am uninvited, harm a member of my family, you will get the business end of either my 45 or my shotgun. I don't care what color you are, red will be your color after that point. Good going Mr. Edmunds.
It really makes me mad when these ambulance chasers like Brown, Jackson and Sharpton and the like start to pop up and speak for the criminals. Just shut up....please. These low-lifes got what they deserved, and Hughes is lucky he got away. Mom Hughes, this was not a lynching, legal or otherwise, and to state so is racism on YOUR part. Shame on you. And for you to think they were there just to buy drugs, you are either stupid or naive. If you don't like what happened to your son, maybe you should have sat him down at some point in his life and explained that there are consequences involved in everything he does. Time for him to pay his dues......
On point you are Libertarian.
Folks love to point at the '70%' number (which is as noted and detailed in depth as being incorrect...that's the total of all minority criminals not Blacks in specific) and further ignore the also factual long time and established discrepancy in sentencing guidelines as well as the disparity in who even gets picked up for arrest against those who are let go with a verbal warning and those who get minor sentences and/or parole as opposed to those who are sentenced to prison.
For folk who use profiling and 'truth' as basis for assesment of people then lets take a look at some other crime stats of equal importance;Originally Posted by National Organization for WomenOriginally Posted by National Institute of Mental HealthSo there it is all women of any flavor should strongly fear men, period.Originally Posted by U.S. Department of Health and Human Services
Further women and children associated to white males and especially older white males should be of high concern toward their depression and subsequent effort to commit suicide. That suicide effort will be of great impact upon them whether the individual succeeds or merely injures themselves or worst someone else.
Further all children should fear white males at large.
Act like a crazy nut bag, grab ass, child abuser/predator, who might be older in age, you are treated like one. Instant orange.
Women and children should run, hide, and fear males and whites too.
How easily might rules of such toward 'profiling' those folks fly amongst that populace if those of us amongst the others were to insist on as much for the same reasons as those cited by them against us.
I strongly agree with your summation.
Sentences should be applied across the board to everyone, regardless of ethnicity.
"What's good for the goose is good for the gander." - Old timey saying
"This man had no business killing these boys," Brown said. "They were shot in the back. They had fled."
why of course he didn't,how dare someone kill two boys that are terrorizing their family at 4a.m.
Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one.”
― Thomas Paine
Many states (but not all) allow a WITNESS to an especially brutal crime that corresponds to great bodily harm ... rape, murder, especially violent assault, kidnapping etc (check your sate law) ... allows that witness to use deadly force on the fleeing felon(s).
IMHO the assault with the bat meets this test and the shoot was therefore justified on that basis alone .. but I ain't no lawyer.
Old testament....Shooting to Live 1942
Newer testament... Kill or Get Killed 1976/1987
Regardless of race, what would the preacher, the mother or any other citizen do under similar duress. We had a case here where someone broke into a remote mountain home with similar intent. The wife and husband fought off the armed intruder with a bat and a knife. Intruder died of his wounds, short investigation, case closed as self defense. This is less about race and more about respect for personal boundries, clearly defined criminal intent as well as bad behavior and poor impulse contol combined with lack of judgement.
Guess since it was mainly a white neighborhood, and it was blacks that broke in, the homeowner should have restrained and let them beat the family to death. He should have defended himself only if the perps were white.
I get so tired of the racism card being played everytime justice is done. Race had nothing to do with this. I had a friend tell me that he wouldn't shoot a "teenage kid" if he broke in his house. So I guess we should all ask for ID and make sure we know what color they are before defending our families. The guy needs to brush up on his shooting. He shouldn't have missed that third one.
If you go back to the original article, nobody is accusing the homeowner of racism in shooting the home invaders. They are directing charges of racism against the prosecutor for charging the sole surviving BG with the murder of his two partners. His mother is saying the homeowner should not get off free, but she is not accusing him with being racist.
If all they are complaining about, though, is that a surviving felon was charged at all in the death of his fellow hoodlums, then they can go take a flying leap as far as I am concerned.
I don't know what to say. This is exactly what is wrong with the liberal agenda in America. Nobody except the victims are responsible for their own actions.
In fact, the victims are responsible for the criminals actions.
Where are the mothers words of sympathy in reference to the brain damaged victim of her son.
I carry a .45 because they don't make a .46