One Lucky Cop/Thumb Safeties & Guns (Merged)

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    One Lucky Cop/Thumb Safeties & Guns (Merged)

    http://www.nevadaappeal.com/article/...NEWS/111160149

    Police: Suspect tried to shoot officer


    by F.T. Norton
    Appeal Staff Writer, ftnorton@nevadaappeal.com
    November 16, 2007, 4:01 AM

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    Bail was increased Thursday for a community college student who allegedly wrestled a gun away from a state officer and tried to shoot him twice.

    William Nattrass, 21, will remain in custody unless he posts the $100,000 bail set by Justice of the Peace Robey Willis during Nattrass' arraignment Thursday morning.

    "I understand he tried to shoot the gun and it didn't go off," Willis said. Nattrass' original bail was $75,000.

    Nattrass is charged with felony attempted murder, assault with a deadly weapon, robbery, gross misdemeanor battery on a peace officer and misdemeanor possession of marijuana paraphernalia.

    According to the arrest report, Nattrass, his 17-year-old brother and Vivian Donna Leman, 28, of Carson City, were having a dispute outside the State Records Repository on West Nye Lane at about 5:35 p.m.

    Carson City deputies were on their way to the area for the fight when an employee of the probation office told co-worker and veteran Department of Public Safety Capt. P.K. O'Neill, that there was a fight outside.

    O'Neill, who is chief of records and technology, said when he went outside, he saw one of the men pushing Leman, and he identified himself as a police officer and told the three to stop fighting and leave the property.

    "William reached into his waistband as if attempting to retrieve a handgun. P.K. drew his duty handgun, pointed it at the suspects and began to move away from them," wrote Carson Deputy C. Erven. "The suspects began closing ground on him so he re-holstered his duty weapon."

    O'Neill told deputies the three then attacked him, with Leman punching him in the face, the juvenile kicking him and Nattrass also punching him. During the melee, Nattrass allegedly got hold of O'Neill's loaded weapon and yelled, "I am going to kill you."

    O'Neill said that as he continued to struggle with the other two, he heard Nattrass pull back the slide on the handgun.

    O'Neill said he tried to keep Leman and the juvenile between himself and Nattrass, but Nattrass allegedly reached around the other two and placed the barrel of the gun against O'Neill's head. When the weapon did not fire, Nattrass allegedly stepped to the left and racked the slide on the handgun again, said O'Neill, the report states.

    It was later determined that the gun's safety was on. Two unspent bullets, ejected when the weapon did not fire, were found at the scene.

    About this time, the group heard sirens and they ran west, according to the report.

    For some reason Leman turned around and ran back toward the building where she was grabbed by a deputy. Another officer captured the juvenile in the field next to the office building and Nattrass was found hiding in the Meek's Lumber parking lot a short time later. The captain's handgun was found on top of a shed nearby.

    "There were two things that happened here, the Sheriff's Department had already received a call about these individuals and P.K. has 35 years of law enforcement experience and survival skills. He was literally beaten by a couple of these individuals while another one tried to kill him and he's survived it, and he's at work today like nothing ever happened," said Phillip Galeoto, director of the Nevada Department of Public Safety. "We're very proud of him."

    During Nattrass' arraignment Thursday morning, the 6-foot 4-inch, wiry young man stood quietly at the podium, his hands shackled to a chain around his waist. He spoke only when asked how to pronounce his last name, which sounds like mattress, and when Willis asked him how he could be enrolled at the college here if he's only been in town for two weeks.

    "I'm taking the GED course," Nattrass said.

    His 17-year-old brother is being held at juvenile detention on suspicion of accessory to attempted murder, battery on police officer and minor consuming.

    Leman was also arraigned Thursday morning where Willis told her she was being held on a charge of accessory to attempted murder with a bail of $75,000.

    "Can I say something?" she asked.

    When Willis gave her permission to speak, Leman began, "I was extremely intoxicated last night ..." but Public Defender Karen Kreizenbeck who was in the audience, jumped up and told Willis she would take Leman's case. Kreizenbeck then advised Leman to remain silent.

    Willis set a preliminary hearing for Tuesday for both Leman and Nattrass.

    • Contact reporter F.T. Norton at ftnorton@nevadaappeal.com or 881-1213.




    WOW...just...wow.

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    Holy crap...
    +1 for the GG
    (talk about having a new outlook on life)
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    You wonder why he pulled you over and gave you a ticket for speeding"

    He/she just worked an accident where people died because they were going to fast
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    You wonder why that cop was so mean

    He/she just got done working a case where a drunk driver killed a kid
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    He/she runs out before he gets his/her food to respond to an armed robbery.
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    You sit there and judge him, saying that its a waste of money to have them around.

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    Where was the cops backup gun?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rathos View Post
    Where was the cops backup gun?
    I personally know a good handful of cops. I would say somewhere around 50% of them carry BUGs, the other half don't for a variety of reasons.

    This lucky guy may rethink carrying one.
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    "The suspects began closing ground on him so he re-holstered his duty weapon."
    Ok, I hate to be the bubble burster...but this guy needs to rethink carrying a firearm. He clearly isn't willing to use it and it almost got him killed. It was only either sheer luck or devine intervention that the suspect was too stupid to figure out how the safety worked.
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    Why did the officer reholster his weapon...especially as the three turned and as stated closed distance toward him?
    That makes no sense what so ever.

    He is very very lucky that Nattrass did not know the manual of arms for the officers weapon (it obviously wasn't a Glock or similar). Also he is extremely fortunate Nattrass didn't decide to beat the officer with his own gun.

    BTW note how the situation he walked into was 2 against one female which I'm sure he thought he'd rescue.
    Boom in an instant with no backup it becomes 3 hyenas on 1.

    Amazing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigEFan View Post
    This lucky guy may rethink carrying one.
    He'd be better off rethinking his training and individual ability to pull a trigger when targeted and aggressed upon.
    Having two guns on his person to be removed by the bGs would have done him even less good in his specific individual case.

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    Sounds to me like too much time behind a desk. So many people want into the law enforcement field, but aren't willing to put everything into it. Why in the world would you draw down on someone, then reholster as 3 people advance on you?! That is an unwise decision. Should've put something between him and them....shall we say a bullet?
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    Disparity of force. Two or more against one constitutes deadly force everywhere I know of. If he had shot the first one, the other two would have run.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CelticWolf View Post
    Holy crap...
    ditto. Glad he's alright. Would seem he erred on the side of caution and he nearly died for it. Hard to for not being there, but this lesson comes to mind: "A gentlemen seldom hits, but he never hits softly."
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    Quote Originally Posted by packinnova View Post
    Ok, I hate to be the bubble burster...but this guy needs to rethink carrying a firearm. He clearly isn't willing to use it and it almost got him killed. It was only either sheer luck or devine intervention that the suspect was too stupid to figure out how the safety worked.
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    Thumb Safeties & Guns = Good!

    A big thread on safety lever haters earlier with an unfortunate store owner forgetting. Sometimes works in your favor, TWICE!

    Cop gets in fight with three, loses pistol, idiot tries to fire, racks slid twice, forgets safety, runs off, 2 good rounds on the ground instead of in officer!

    What I don't get is the cop supposedly drew, the holstered when they got close? Maybe he was worried about getting disarmed with it out?

    http://www.nevadaappeal.com/article/...NEWS/111160149

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    He was facing three possible assailants, why in the name of heaven did he unholster his gun in the first place. And then, having done so, why did he reholster it? If he had good reason to draw it place then he should've fired at the first guy approaching him. If not, then he should have never removed it from the holster. This guy has 35 years of law enforcement experience and yet managed to get himself into a situation where he was almost killed. Why are they so proud of him? Sometimes you have to have the good sense to wait for backup!!

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    When the officer drew his weapon and backed away the suspects sensed fear. The officer reholstered and took an arse whipping just that simple. I would'a shot when confronted with the threat probably not to kill but to wound at first.
    Quote Originally Posted by Rustynuts View Post
    A big thread on safety lever haters earlier with an unfortunate store owner forgetting. Sometimes works in your favor, TWICE!

    Cop gets in fight with three, loses pistol, idiot tries to fire, racks slid twice, forgets safety, runs off, 2 good rounds on the ground instead of in officer!

    What I don't get is the cop supposedly drew, the holstered when they got close? Maybe he was worried about getting disarmed with it out?

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