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    Stupid people never cease to amaze!

    Another article somewhat related. They're interviewing shoppers in Houston about the Omaha shooting.

    http://www.click2houston.com/news/14789127/detail.html

    Local Shoppers Worry About Mall Safety
    By Elizabeth Scarborough

    POSTED: 8:48 am CST December 6, 2007
    UPDATED: 8:57 am CST December 6, 2007

    HOUSTON -- Local shoppers were shocked Wednesday night as they heard about the deadly mall rampage in Omaha, Neb., KPRC Local 2 reported.

    Are You Worried About Mall Security?

    "I know it was terrifying. I would have been terrified," Symotris Turner said.

    Turner has a long list of holiday shopping left to do, but she said she is worried.

    "It makes you afraid to go to the mall," she said. "You don't know what's going to happen."

    As more and more people head to the malls for holiday shopping, many are beginning to wonder how safe they really are.

    Simon Stewart said he has not started his Christmas shopping yet, but would like to see security beefed up to protect everyone.

    "I think they need extra police," he said. "This time of year is getting real bad."

    Local 2 asked half a dozen malls in the Houston area what is being done to keep shoppers safe. Only Memorial City Mall responded, but officials would not say exactly what changes to security are being made.

    "Our comprehensive security program includes foot, bicycle and vehicle patrols, video monitoring; complimentary escorts for customers to the parking lot as requested; seasonal safety tips distributed. As mall management is advised about crime patterns around Houston, and events elsewhere that may concern the public, the security team reacts accordingly to modify patrols or routines," a mall representative said.

    Alvin Police Chief Mike Merkel said there are three things shoppers need to know if they are trapped in a chaotic shooting situation inside a mall.

    First, stand still.

    "They're going to pick out individuals who are running to or away from them," Merkel said. "Standing still may keep you from becoming a victim."


    Second, make yourself as small a target as possible.

    "Get as close to the ground as you can," said Merkel. "Try to get behind a solid object."

    Third, if you can get out, exit the mall with your hands up so police will know you're not armed.

    Previous Stories:

    * November 29, 2007: Mall Gunman Torched Office, Made Call Before Shooting
    * November 28, 2007: Mall Gunman Did Not Know Victim
    * November 27, 2007: 2 Shot To Death At North Houston Mall
    Great so their Police Chief's first and foremost advice is to stand still while someone is shooting at them.... Why don't I paint a bullseye on my while I'm at it!
    "My God David, We're a Civilized society."

    "Sure, As long as the machines are workin' and you can call 911. But you take those things away, you throw people in the dark, and you scare the crap out of them; no more rules...You'll see how primitive they can get."
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    We need a smiley for comlete, drooling idiot...
    A man fires a rifle for many years, and he goes to war. And afterward he turns the rifle in at the armory, and he believes he's finished with the rifle. But no matter what else he might do with his hands - love a woman, build a house, change his son's diaper - his hands remember the rifle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OPFOR View Post
    We need a smiley for comlete, drooling idiot...
    I can always resize this pic:

    You have to make the shot when fire is smoking, people are screaming, dogs are barking, kids are crying and sirens are coming.
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    "It makes you afraid to go to the mall," she said. "You don't know what's going to happen."
    I'm sure that once "GFZ" signs are posted she will feel much sager.

    First, stand still.

    "They're going to pick out individuals who are running to or away from them," Merkel said. "Standing still may keep you from becoming a victim."

    Second, make yourself as small a target as possible.

    "Get as close to the ground as you can," said Merkel. "Try to get behind a solid object."

    Third, if you can get out, exit the mall with your hands up so police will know you're not armed.
    I'm confused should I stand still/lay down or stand down/lay still.

    The advice should be draw and fire or rush the SOB from behind with a flying tackle.
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    Yea, well if the police are there, shouldn't they be going into the mall to find the guy shooting instead of sitting in the parking lot and watching as people run out with their hands up. I guess that is after they have stayed still and then tried to make themselves small.


    Hmmm, no I don't get it either.
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    Speaking of police... 6 minutes? Jeese, that seems like a lot for response time to a shopping mall in the middle of town during the holiday season. I could see if it were way out in the boonies or something.
    Something isnt right with that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by farronwolf View Post
    In Texas if you do use your firearm in most areas that are prohibited from concealed carry, there is a provision in the law that exempts you from prosecution if you do it in response to a crime that is being committed.

    Another reason to love Texas.
    I am looking for that statute. I need help on where to find it.

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    I believe you will see renewed and stronger efforts to ban assualt type weapons. One must also ponder how this will affect SCOTUS over 2nd admendment. I believe it is impossible to imagine all US citizens turning in their handguns...but I believe assualt type weapons could be an easy target. Rob Peter to save Paul...

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    And it gets worse...

    CNN is stating that he used an AK or some variant, obviously when you read the quote you'll scratch your head too.

    Warren said Hawkins' body and the AK-47 with SKS 7.66 mm ammunition were found on the store's third floor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SIXTO View Post
    Speaking of police... 6 minutes? Jeese, that seems like a lot for response time to a shopping mall in the middle of town during the holiday season. I could see if it were way out in the boonies or something.
    Something isnt right with that.
    I can understand that(the 6 minutes). I don't expect you LEO guys to be superman. Who knows what else was going on and in what directions their force was already being pulled. What I don't understand, and don't like is this yahoo in TX telling everyone to LITERALLY be a sitting...err uh standing duck.
    "My God David, We're a Civilized society."

    "Sure, As long as the machines are workin' and you can call 911. But you take those things away, you throw people in the dark, and you scare the crap out of them; no more rules...You'll see how primitive they can get."
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    Quote Originally Posted by packinnova View Post
    I can understand that(the 6 minutes). I don't expect you LEO guys to be superman. Who knows what else was going on and in what directions their force was already being pulled. What I don't understand, and don't like is this yahoo in TX telling everyone to LITERALLY be a sitting...err uh standing duck.
    The standing still recommendation was incredible stupidity. It reminds me of the movie "We Were Soldiers Once - and Young." Although the movie was somewhat realistic in some parts, there was way too much standing around and getting shot. I have yet to find a combat veteran who believed that standing around waiting to get shot was realistic or intelligent.

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    Wair cun ah get me sum o dat dere sebbin point six six ammernishun fer muh SKAKS- furty-sebbin assaultin' rahfle?
    A man fires a rifle for many years, and he goes to war. And afterward he turns the rifle in at the armory, and he believes he's finished with the rifle. But no matter what else he might do with his hands - love a woman, build a house, change his son's diaper - his hands remember the rifle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OPFOR View Post
    Wair cun ah get me sum o dat dere sebbin point six six ammernishun fer muh SKAKS- furty-sebbin assaultin' rahfle?


    Now thats funny!
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    Quote Originally Posted by cwblanco View Post
    I am looking for that statute. I need help on where to find it.
    I did a quick check on where I thought it was, and found that I might be mistaken on that. Where I though it was doesn't read like I remember. I will have to look a bit further later. But, like I said, I may be wrong on this one.
    Just remember that shot placement is much more important with what you carry than how big a bang you get with each trigger pull.
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