Media Coverage of Mall Shooting Fails to Reveal Mall's Gun-Free-Zone Status: Merged

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    Media Coverage of Mall Shooting Fails to Reveal Mall's Gun-Free-Zone Status: Merged

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,315563,00.html

    (This is related to the Omaha mall shooting.)

    By John R. Lott, Jr.

    The horrible tragedy at the Westroads Mall in Omaha, Neb. received a lot of attention Wednesday and Thursday. It should have. Eight people were killed, and five were wounded.

    A Google news search using the phrase "Omaha Mall Shooting" finds an incredible 2,794 news stories worldwide for the last day. From India and Taiwan to Britain and Austria, there are probably few people in the world who havenít heard about this tragedy.

    But despite the massive news coverage, none of the media coverage, at least by 10 a.m. Thursday, mentioned this central fact: Yet another attack occurred in a gun-free zone.

    Surely, with all the reporters who appear at these crime scenes and seemingly interview virtually everyone there, why didnít one simply mention the signs that ban guns from the premises?

    Nebraska allows people to carry permitted concealed handguns, but it allows property owners, such as the Westroads Mall, to post signs banning permit holders from legally carrying guns on their property.

    The same was true for the attack at the Trolley Square Mall in Utah in February (a copy of the sign at the mall can be seen here). But again the media coverage ignored this fact. Possibly the ban there was even more noteworthy because the off-duty police officer who stopped the attack fortunately violated the ban by taking his gun in with him when he went shopping.

    Yet even then, the officer "was at the opposite end and on a different floor of the convoluted Trolley Square complex when the shooting began. By the time he became aware of the shooting and managed to track down and confront Talovic [the killer], three minutes had elapsed."

    There are plenty of cases every year where permit holders stop what would have been multiple victim shootings every year, but they rarely receive any news coverage. Take a case this year in Memphis, where WBIR-TV reported a gunman started "firing a pistol beside a busy city street" and was stopped by two permit holders before anyone was harmed.

    When will part of the media coverage on these multiple-victim public shootings be whether guns were banned where the attack occurred? While the media has begun to cover whether teachers can have guns at school or the almost 8,000 college students across the country who protested gun-free zones on their campuses, the media havenít started checking what are the rules where these attacks occur.

    Surely, the news stories carry detailed information on the weapon used (in this case, a rifle) and the number of ammunition clips (apparently, two). But if these aspects of the story are deemed important for understanding what happened, why isnít it also important that the attack occurred where guns were banned? Isnít it important to know why all the victims were disarmed?

    Few know that Dylan Klebold, one of the two Columbine killers, closely was following Colorado legislation that would have allowed citizens to carry a concealed handgun. Klebold strongly opposed the legislation and openly talked about it.

    No wonder, as the bill being debated would have allowed permitted guns to be carried on school property. It is quite a coincidence that he attacked the Columbine High School the very day the legislature was scheduled to vote on the bill.

    Despite the lack of news coverage, people are beginning to notice what research has shown for years: Multiple-victim public shootings keep occurring in places where guns already are banned. Forty states have broad right-to-carry laws, but even within these states it is the "gun-free zones," not other public places, where the attacks happen.

    People know the list: Virginia Tech saw 32 murdered earlier this year; the Columbine High School shooting left 13 murdered in 1999; Luby's Cafeteria in Killeen, Texas, had 23 who were fatally shot by a deranged man in 1991; and a McDonald's in Southern California had 21 people shot dead by an unemployed security guard in 1984.

    All these attacks ó indeed, all attacks involving more than a small number of people being killed ó happened in gun-free zones.

    In recent years, similar attacks have occurred across the world, including in Australia, France, Germany and Britain. Do all these countries lack enough gun-control laws? Hardly. The reverse is more accurate.

    The law-abiding, not criminals, are obeying the rules. Disarming the victims simply means that the killers have less to fear. As Wednesday's attack demonstrated yet again, police are important, but they almost always arrive at the crime scene after the crime has occurred.

    The longer it takes for someone to arrive on the scene with a gun, the more people who will be harmed by such an attack.

    Most people understand that guns deter criminals. If a killer were stalking your family, would you feel safer putting a sign out front announcing, "This Home Is a Gun-Free Zone"? But that is what the Westroads Mall did.

    John Lott is the author of Freedomnomics, upon which this piece draws, and a senior research scholar at the University of Maryland.
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    Thankfully, the press doesn't confuse facts with a "good" tragedy.

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    I am still waiting (without holding breath) for the media in general to actually ''latch onto" the ''gun-free zone'' element.

    To us it is so obvious - not just malls but educational establishments and even work places. Media seems unable (unwilling) to separate the good guy gun owners from the bad - it's always the same - gun = bad.

    No way of knowing ever if an armed citizen could for sure have stopped or limited any of the mass shooting we have had but odds are very much that they might have.

    I cannot but help imagine in this mall shooting that had there been say even two CCW's within useful range and who had cover, there could well have been a rapid end to the idiot's mayhem. I know rifle vs handgun is never good (per Tyler Court House and Wilson) but with cover I do feel this guy coulda been taken out.
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    Since reading about places where guns are banned on the forum, I've been looking for signs at the places I go. I never really paid much attention to it before.

    At a local Mall I found a sign stating the rules of conduct while on Mall property. I was pleased to see rule #9 wich basicaly said......
    Firearms are prohibited, unless you are liscensed to carry and conceal.

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    The other problem is that all of Omaha is a Gun free zone! They in their wisdom do not think that people of their city are wise enough to carry guns. So they, City council, made it illegal to CC in the city. As have other communies in Nebraska.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PM View Post
    The other problem is that all of Omaha is a Gun free zone! They in their wisdom do not think that people of their city are wise enough to carry guns. So they, City council, made it illegal to CC in the city. As have other communies in Nebraska.
    That was recinded. The city council voted to repeal that law. The Mall, however, was "gun prohibited". There are still some city's in Nebrasaka that this is not the case. There is no preemptive clause in their law but Omaha used to prohibit but now they do not. However individual property owners can prohibit and the Mall, I am told, did.

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    John Lott weighs in on the Nebraska Mall Shooting

    As always, Dr. Lott sums things up logically. Will the leftist anti gun-anti freedom fools ever wake up and see the light? I am not going to hold my breath.

    Read Dr. Lott's article HERE.
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    Saw this earlier on Mike - but yeah - trying to get logic thru the anti's heads is like trying to poke hot butter up a porcupine's butt - with a red hot needle!!!
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    Nebraska isn't very CC friendly anywhere as far as I can tell. I have to disarm whenever I cross the border because they do not recognize any other states CCL. My understanding is that it's a may issue state. It's up to the Sheriff wether he deems that you have the need to protect yourself, and therefore can approve or deny on what he feels the need is on a per case basis.
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    My understanding is that it's a may issue state .............. It's up to the Sheriff whether he deems that you have the need to protect yourself
    Oh my - it's like saying - only some folks need water every day!!

    EVERYONE needs the option to defend themselves - no ''special case'' crap I am tired of this craziness ... anyone has the right to take up a means of self defence and to heck with ''authorities'' who might - just might judge someone can - if they give ''permission"!!

    Anyone and everyone is at risk - albeit maybe small - but everyone also has the right to have the means to answer back!
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    Needless to say neither the wife or I go to Nebraska any more than neccassary because neither of us care to disarm to do so.
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