Denver Church Shooting, merged and re-named

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    Quote Originally Posted by cphilip View Post
    The lady that shot the bad guy is quoted as saying she was praying. This account came from a injured member who witnesses her taking him out. He said it was the bravest thing he ever saw. And he told her so. And her response to him was "I was praying..."

    I imagine so. I know my prayer would be something like "Lord, don't let me miss!".
    Yup. Minutes after she shot the creep, a Vietnam vet asked the heroine how she remained so calm and focused. She was quoted as saying "I prayed to the Holy Spirit to stay with me the entire time."
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    Security Guard: 'God Guided Me And Protected Me'

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    Security Guard: 'God Guided Me And Protected Me'

    Jeanne Assam Stopped Gunman At New Life Church
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    POSTED: 4:46 pm MST December 10, 2007
    UPDATED: 4:59 pm MST December 10, 2007

    COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. -- Jeanne Assam appeared before the news media for the first time Monday and said she "did not think for a minute to run away" when a gunman entered the New Life Church in Colorado Springs and started shooting.

    Assam appeared before the media with applause and said "God guided me and protected me."

    She described how the gunman, Matthew Murray, entered


    the east entrance of the church firing his gun.



    "There was chaos," Assam said, as parishioners ran away.

    "I saw him coming through the doors" and took cover, Assam said. "I came out of cover and identified myself and engaged him and took him down."

    Assam had several years of experience in law enforcement and is licensed to carry a weapon. She attends one of the morning services and then volunteers as a guard during another service.

    "I give credit to God," Assam said. "God was with me. I didn't think for a minute to run away."

    The victims killed in the Colorado Springs shooting were identified Monday as sisters Stephanie Works, 18, and Rachael Works, 16. Their father, David Works, 51, suffered two gunshot wounds -- one to the abdomen and one to the groin -- and was listed in fair condition on Monday. They were shot in the parking lot as they were getting into their van.

    "Our concern is for our family that lost two teenage daughters. Our hearts are grieving this morning for them," said New Life's Senior Pastor Brady Boyd. "You can imagine, as parents, losing two children while coming to church, just showing up for a worship service, not bothering anyone."

    He called her "a real hero" because Murray "had enough ammunition on him to cause a lot of damage."

    Boyd said she was the one who suggested the church beef up its security Sunday following the Arvada shooting, which it did. The pastor credited the security plan and the extra security for preventing further bloodshed.
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    Church defender IDed

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    By Judith Kohler, AP Writer

    COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. (AP) ― The gunman believed to have killed four people at a megachurch and a missionary training school had been thrown out of the school a few years ago and had been sending it hate mail, police said in court papers Monday.

    The gunman was identified as Matthew Murray, 24, who was home-schooled in what a friend said was a deeply religious Christian household. Murray's father is a neurologist and a leading multiple-sclerosis researcher.

    Five people -- including Murray -- were killed, and five others wounded Sunday in the two eruptions of violence 12 hours and 65 miles apart.

    The first attack took place at Youth With a Mission, a training center for missionaries in the Denver suburb of Arvada; the other occurred at the New Life Church in Colorado Springs, where Murray was shot to death by a security guard. The training center maintains an office at the 10,000-member church.

    "Through both investigations it has been determined that most likely the suspect in both shootings are one in the same," police said in court papers.

    Colorado Springs police said the "common denominator in both locations" was Youth With a Mission.

    "It appears that the suspect had been kicked out of the program three years prior and during the past few weeks had sent different forms of hate mail to the program and-or its director," police said.

    In a statement, the training center said health problems kept Murray from finishing the program. It did not elaborate. Murray did not complete the lecture phase or a field assignment as part of a 12-week program, Youth With a Mission said.

    "The program directors felt that issues with his health made it inappropriate for him to" finish, it said.

    Police gave no immediate details on the hate mail. And the training center said that Murray left in 2002 -- five years ago, not three -- and that no one there can recall any visits or other communication from him since then.

    Earlier Monday, a law enforcement official who spoke on condition of anonymity said it appeared Murray "hated Christians."

    Investigators have not said whether Murray singled out his victims. But the two people killed at the church -- sisters Stephanie and Rachael Works, ages 18 and 16 -- frequented the training center, their uncle Mark Schaepe of Lincoln, Neb., told The Gazette of Colorado Springs.

    Authorities searched the Murray house on a quiet street in Englewood on Monday for guns, ammunition and computers. No one was home when a reporter visited the split-level brick home early Monday. Murray's father, Ronald S. Murray, is chief executive of the Rocky Mountain Multiple Sclerosis Center in Englewood.

    Matthew Murray lived there along with a brother, Christopher, 21, a student at Oral Roberts University in Tulsa, Okla.

    A neighbor, Cody Askeland, 19, said the brothers were home-schooled, describing the whole family as "very, very religious."

    Christopher studied for a semester at Colorado Christian University before transferring to Oral Roberts, said Ronald Rex, dean of admissions and marketing at Colorado Christian. He said Matthew Murray had been in contact with school officials this summer about attending the school but decided he wasn't interested because he thought the school was too expensive.

    Police said Murray's only previous brush with the law was a traffic ticket earlier this year.

    Senior Pastor Brady Boyd of New Life Church said the gunman had no connection to the church. "We don't know this shooter," Boyd said. "He showed up on our property yesterday with a gun with the intention of hurting people, and he did."

    The gunman opened fire at 12:30 a.m. at the Youth With a Mission center. Witnesses said the man asked to spend the night there and opened fire with a handgun when he was turned down. They described him as a young man, perhaps 20, in a dark jacket and cap.

    Later, at New Life Church, a gunman wearing a trench coat and carrying a high-powered rifle opened fire in the parking lot and later walked into the church as a service was letting out.

    Jeanne Assam, a church member who volunteers as a security guard, shot and killed Murray, who was found with a rifle and two handguns, police said. The pastor called her "a real hero."

    "When the shots were fired, she rushed toward the scene and encountered the attacker there in a hallway. He never got more than 50 feet inside our building," he said. "There could have been a great loss of life yesterday, and she probably saved over 100 lives."

    Boyd said the gunman had a lot of ammunition and estimated that 40 rounds had been fired inside the church, leaving what looked like a "war scene."

    Jessie Gingrich, who had left New Life and was in the parking lot getting into her car, saw the gunman get a rifle from his trunk and open fire on a van with people inside. Gingrich said she cowered in her vehicle, fumbling with the key.

    "I was just expecting for the next gunshot to be coming through my car. Miraculously -- by the grace of God -- it did not," she told ABC's "Good Morning America."

    About 7,000 people were in and around the church the time of the shooting, Boyd said. Security had been beefed up after the shootings hours earlier in Arvada, he said. The church had a total of 15 to 20 volunteer security officers inside at the time of the attack, he said.

    Some members of the congregation reacted with compassion and forgiveness, in keeping with their faith.

    Ashley Gibbs was getting into a car with David Harris when they heard the gunshots. They stayed in the vehicle.

    "It was obvious that he was in some sort of pain and going through a lot," Gibbs told "Today." "I just prayed God would bring him peace."

    New Life, with a largely upper middle-class membership, was founded by the Rev. Ted Haggard, who was dismissed last year after a former male prostitute alleged he had a three-year cash-for-sex relationship with him. Haggard admitted committing unspecified "sexual immorality."

    The two people killed at the missionary center were identified as Tiffany Johnson, 26, and Philip Crouse, 24.

    Johnson, who grew up in Chisholm, Minn., loved working with children and wanted to see the world, said family friend Carla Macynski.

    "Tiffany was a well-liked, easygoing 26-year-old. She was friendly, adventurous and a definite leader," Macynski said as she choked back tears. Johnson had traveled to Egypt, Libya and South Africa with the missionary group.

    Crouse, of Alaska, was a former skinhead who went through a dramatic spiritual conversion at 18. He had helped build a foster home at a Crow Indian reservation in Montana, said Ronny Morris, who works with a Denver chapter of the mission.

    "Whenever somebody asks me to give a specific situation where a kid's life has been changed or transformed, I always think of Phil, because he had such a radical transformation of life," said pastor Zach Chandler in Anchorage, Alaska.

    Youth With a Mission was started in 1960 and now has 1,100 locations with 16,000 full-time staff, said Darv Smith, director of a Youth With a Mission center in Boulder.

    The Colorado shootings came days after a 19-year-old gunman opened fire at a busy department store in Omaha, Neb., killing eight people and himself.

    Associated Press Religion Writer Eric Gorski and AP staff writers Colleen Slevin and George Merritt in Colorado and Lara Jakes Jordan in Washington contributed to this report.
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    Quote Originally Posted by peacefuljeffrey View Post
    Someone, please tell me why ANYONE at this point believes that God is going to protect his flock in churches. That's been disproved by now, repeatedly.
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    This is what we need... Gunman stopped by a person with a gun... on CNN.com no less!!

    Here is a link to CNN.com about a female security guard who stopped a gunman who had shot multiple people in 2 seperate incidents at church services. It's situations like this that make me proud to carry a firearm as a citizen. This woman was the ONLY security guard present who was armed and challenged and stopped a gunman who had already shot multiple people.

    I couldn't believe that it was the center photo story on CNN.com of all places. Fence-sitters pay attention! THIS is what CCW and RKBA is all about. Being a citizen placed in a situation where YOUR firearm may be the difference between people living and people dying. Hats off to this woman for stepping up to the plate and doing the ethically and morally responsible action of defending those who cannot or did not have the ability to defend themselves!


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    Vet lauds female guard who felled gunman
    By Kieran Nicholson
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    Article Last Updated: 12/10/2007 0406 PM MST

    Authorities say 18-year-old Stephanie Works and 16-year-old Rachael Works died from their injuries after a gunman opened fire outside New Life Church on Sunday. Larry Bourbonnais, a combat-tested Vietnam veteran, said it was the bravest thing he's ever seen.

    Bourbonnais, who was among those shot by a gunman Sunday at New Life Church, watched as a security guard, a woman later identified as Jeanne Assam, calmly returned fire and killed the shooter.

    "She just started walking toward the gunman firing the whole way," said Bourbonnais, who was shot in the arm. "She was just yelling 'Surrender,' walking and shooting the whole time."

    Bourbonnais, 59, had just finished up a hamburger in the cafeteria on the sprawling church campus when he heard gunfire, he recalled.

    He headed in the direction of the shots as frightened people ran past him looking to escape to safety.

    "Where's the shooter? Where's the shooter?" Bourbonnais kept yelling, he recalled.

    Near an entryway in the church, Bourbonnais came upon the gunman and an armed male church security guard who was there with his gun drawn but not firing, he said.

    Bourbonnais said he pleaded with the armed guard to give him his weapon.

    "Give me your handgun. I've been in combat, and I'm going to take this guy out," Bourbonnais recalled telling the guard. "He kept yelling, 'Get behind me! Get behind me!' He wouldn't hand me his weapon, but he wouldn't do anything."

    There was an additional armed security guard there, another man, who also didn't fire, Bourbonnais said.

    Bourbonnais yelled at the gunman to draw his attention, he said.

    "First, I called him 'Coward' then I called him 'S---head' " Bourbonnais said. "I probably shouldn't have been saying that in church."

    That's when the shooter pointed one of his guns at Bourbonnais and fired, he said.

    Bourbonnais ducked behind a hollow, decorative pillar and was hit in the arm by a bullet and fragments of the pillar.

    At about that moment, Assam, 42, turned a corner with a drawn handgun, walked toward the gunman and yelled "Surrender!" Bourbonnais said.

    The gunman pointed a handgun at Assam and fired three shots, Bourbonnais said. She returned fire and just kept walking toward the gunman pressing off round after round.

    After the gunman went down, Bourbonnais asked the Assam, a volunteer security guard with the church, how she remained so calm and focused.

    Bourbonnais said she replied:

    "I was asking the Holy Spirit to guide me the entire time."
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    She wasn't a "security guard" in the sense that she was hired and wearing some kind of uniform. From what I have read she was one of about 6-7 parishioners that volunteered to act as security for their church. She had a CC permit and I believe was retired LE.
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    Permit holder volunteering to defend her friends from whack jobs. This story should be mailed to all the politicos who say that permit to carry is useless, doesn't do any good, yada yada. The CO permit to carry program just averted a massacre, so shame on the naysayers who oppose it.

    If any of you don't have your permit yet - let this story be an inspiration that more people are needed. Why wasn't that Mall whack job stopped? If every person had a permit to carry none of these whack jobs would ever get very far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by havegunjoe View Post
    She wasn't a "security guard" in the sense that she was hired and wearing some kind of uniform. From what I have read she was one of about 6-7 parishioners that volunteered to act as security for their church. She had a CC permit and I believe was retired LE.
    I was only going by the account offered on CNN. You are correct in that she wasnt a private security type person wearing a uniform or anything like that. This is absolutely the kind of thing ordinary people need to see and understand. Good people with guns can help stop bad people with guns from killing more good people.

    If only the hundreds of situations where this happeded EVERY DAY had some time on the front page like this one.
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    Good for her! And for everyone that attends that church. Good that she was there. The other two "security" mens, shame on them. This guy should have been dropped long before the female security member had to do it.
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    SOUNDS LIKE A MARINE TO ME!

    [QUOTEhttp://www.denverpost.com/outdoors/ci_7683781

    Larry Bourbonnais, a combat-tested Vietnam veteran, said it was the bravest thing he's ever seen.
    Bourbonnais, who was among those shot by a gunman Sunday at New Life Church, watched as a security guard, a woman later identified as Jeanne Assam, calmly returned fire and killed the shooter.

    "She just started walking toward the gunman firing the whole way," said Bourbonnais, who was shot in the arm. "She was just yelling 'Surrender,' walking and shooting the whole time."

    Bourbonnais, 59, had just finished up a hamburger in the cafeteria on the sprawling church campus when he heard gunfire, he recalled.
    He headed in the direction of the shots as frightened people ran past him looking to escape to safety.

    "Where's the shooter? Where's the shooter?" Bourbonnais kept yelling, he recalled.

    Near an entryway in the church, Bourbonnais came upon the gunman and an armed male church security guard who was there with his gun drawn but not firing, he said.

    Bourbonnais said he pleaded with the armed guard to give him his weapon.

    "Give me your handgun. I've been in combat, and I'm going to take this guy out," Bourbonnais recalled telling the guard. "He kept yelling, 'Get behind me! Get behind me!' He wouldn't hand me his weapon, but he wouldn't do anything."

    There was an additional armed security guard there, another man, who also didn't fire, Bourbonnais said.

    Bourbonnais yelled at the gunman to draw his attention, he said.
    "First, I called him 'Coward' then I called him 'S---head' " Bourbonnais said. "I probably shouldn't have been saying that in church."

    That's when the shooter pointed one of his guns at Bourbonnais and fired, he said.

    Bourbonnais ducked behind a hollow, decorative pillar and was hit in the arm by a bullet and fragments of the pillar.

    At about that moment, Assam, 42, turned a corner with a drawn handgun, walked toward the gunman and yelled "Surrender!" Bourbonnais said.

    The gunman pointed a handgun at Assam and fired three shots, Bourbonnais said.

    She returned fire and just kept walking toward the gunman pressing off round after round.

    After the gunman went down, Bourbonnais asked the Assam, a volunteer security guard with the church, how she remained so calm and focused.
    Bourbonnais said she replied:

    "I was asking the Holy Spirit to guide me the entire time."

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    More stuff...

    Don't skip through this one, it's a real revelation into shootout dynamics and readiness:

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    Vet lauds female guard who felled gunman
    By Kieran Nicholson
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    Article Last Updated: 12/10/2007 0406 PM MST

    Authorities say 18-year-old Stephanie Works and 16-year-old Rachael Works died from their injuries after a gunman opened fire outside New Life Church on Sunday. Larry Bourbonnais, a combat-tested Vietnam veteran, said it was the bravest thing he's ever seen.

    Bourbonnais, who was among those shot by a gunman Sunday at New Life Church, watched as a security guard, a woman later identified as Jeanne Assam, calmly returned fire and killed the shooter.

    "She just started walking toward the gunman firing the whole way," said Bourbonnais, who was shot in the arm. "She was just yelling 'Surrender,' walking and shooting the whole time."

    Bourbonnais, 59, had just finished up a hamburger in the cafeteria on the sprawling church campus when he heard gunfire, he recalled.

    He headed in the direction of the shots as frightened people ran past him looking to escape to safety.

    "Where's the shooter? Where's the shooter?" Bourbonnais kept yelling, he recalled.

    Near an entryway in the church, Bourbonnais came upon the gunman and an armed male church security guard who was there with his gun drawn but not firing, he said.

    Bourbonnais said he pleaded with the armed guard to give him his weapon.

    "Give me your handgun. I've been in combat, and I'm going to take this guy out," Bourbonnais recalled telling the guard. "He kept yelling, 'Get behind me! Get behind me!' He wouldn't hand me his weapon, but he wouldn't do anything."

    There was an additional armed security guard there, another man, who also didn't fire, Bourbonnais said.

    Bourbonnais yelled at the gunman to draw his attention, he said.

    "First, I called him 'Coward' then I called him 'S---head' " Bourbonnais said. "I probably shouldn't have been saying that in church."

    That's when the shooter pointed one of his guns at Bourbonnais and fired, he said.

    Bourbonnais ducked behind a hollow, decorative pillar and was hit in the arm by a bullet and fragments of the pillar.

    At about that moment, Assam, 42, turned a corner with a drawn handgun, walked toward the gunman and yelled "Surrender!" Bourbonnais said.

    The gunman pointed a handgun at Assam and fired three shots, Bourbonnais said. She returned fire and just kept walking toward the gunman pressing off round after round.

    After the gunman went down, Bourbonnais asked the Assam, a volunteer security guard with the church, how she remained so calm and focused.

    Bourbonnais said she replied:

    "I was asking the Holy Spirit to guide me the entire time."

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    An Armed Hero Angel Prevented A Church Holocaust.

    New Life Evangelical Church, Colorado Springs, CO--42 year-old, Jeanne Assam is an angel and a genuine hero that may have saved as many as 100 lives. Assam volunteered to perform security duties during services when 24 year-old Matthew Murray began his murderous Sunday assault on worshipers.

    The plain clothed, security angel immediately sprang into action drawing her personal handgun, pursued and engaged the gunman killing him. Assam's heroic act ended any further injury or death.

    Jeanne Assam is my candidate for Woman of The Year. I hope organizations such as The Carnegie Hero Fund Commission recognize our angel for her extraordinary courage and heroism.

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    Woman who shot gunman says she was given assignment from God

    COLORADO SPRINGS – The woman who shot a gunman inside New Life Church says her hands were not even shaking when it happened.

    Jeanne Assam was working security at New Life on Sunday when 24-year-old Matthew Murray began shooting in the parking lot. Three people, including Murray, died during the attack at the 10,000-plus member New Life Church.

    Police said Monday afternoon that Murray was also responsible for a shooting that left two others dead at the Youth With a Mission center in Arvada. Five others were injured in the attacks.

    Assam, a former police officer, says she was inside the church when she heard gunfire from the parking lot.

    "The shots were so loud I thought he was inside and he wasn't even inside yet," Assam said on Monday afternoon. "There was chaos. There were a lot of people in the church."

    "I saw him coming through the doors and I took cover. And I waited for him to get closer and came out of cover and identified myself and engaged him and took him down," she said.

    Assam repeatedly gave credit to God during her news conference on Monday, saying God was with her.

    "I was given the assignment to end this before it got too much worse," she said. "I said, 'Holy Spirit, please be with me.' I did not run away and I didn't think to run away. My hands weren't even shaking."

    Assam is a former police officer and is a member of New Life Church.

    "God was with me and I asked him to be with me and he never left my side," she said. "I was very focused and it was chaotic. It was so loud. I'll never forget the gunshots. It was just so loud."

    Assam sent her condolences out to all the families who were affected by the shooting, including Murray's.

    She appeared along side New Life Church Pastor Brady Boyd at the news conference on Monday.

    "If we had not had an armed person on our campus, 50 to 100 people could have lost their lives yesterday," said Boyd.

    "I just knew what I had to do," said Assam. "It was me, the gunman and God."

    And to be fair, I also must say that I found this:

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    Here's an example of where it WORKED!

    So I wonder if anybody will change their minds about other venues.....like Columbine or Virginia Tech or other 'gun-free zones'?
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    Quote Originally Posted by lance22 View Post
    Permit holder volunteering to defend her friends from whack jobs. This story should be mailed to all the politicos who say that permit to carry is useless, doesn't do any good, yada yada. The CO permit to carry program just averted a massacre, so shame on the naysayers who oppose it.

    If any of you don't have your permit yet - let this story be an inspiration that more people are needed. Why wasn't that Mall whack job stopped? If every person had a permit to carry none of these whack jobs would ever get very far.
    But be aware that if you are going to carry a handgun you must be prepared to use it.
    Evidently the two men were not prepared. Wonder what excuses they are using?
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    Larry Bourbonnais is just as much a hero as is Assam. Confronting a rifleman while unarmed. Talk about big brass ones!
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