Ugly: Lake Elsinore mother was shot to death with her infant in the car

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    It's been said many times before...

    Have a plan to kill everyone you meet...

    In today's world one has no other choice!

    Stay armed...plan ahead...stay safe!
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    Not only sad but just plain evil.

    I never thought I would live to see the day that you didn't dare let your guard down... not even to help a little girl!
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    I remember this case and was a juror when it went to trial. There was no doubt that these two girls were guilty of their crime. I remember when we saw a video of them together at the station to be questioned, one of the girls was re-enacting how the mother convulsed as she was shot (she was hit twice...one round went thru her ear and out her eye) and they started to giggle about it. It was difficult to not feel so enraged; especially when they both sat with their heads down, refusing to look at Ms Arias' autopsy photos on the screen, all the while hearing her family sob in the courtroom. In the surveillance video, I recall one of the girls even blaming the victim that it was her fault for offering them a ride and that she was asking to be killed.

    I'm the type of person who has always gone out of my way to help people, but since this case, I've been much more careful in not offering help to strangers; an unfortunate thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by airslot View Post
    I would think that the gun owner could be held accountable as well. ie: FAILED TO SECURE THE WEAPON.
    We must not blame victims of crime for the actions of criminals.
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    Who says zombies aren't real.
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    I'm not saying we should kill all the stupid people. I'm saying remove all the warning labels and let the problem sort itself out.

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    This was a worthwhile post and a reason to continue to keep this old thread open for further discussion.


    Quote Originally Posted by Huffnstuff View Post
    I remember this case and was a juror when it went to trial. There was no doubt that these two girls were guilty of their crime. I remember when we saw a video of them together at the station to be questioned, one of the girls was re-enacting how the mother convulsed as she was shot (she was hit twice...one round went thru her ear and out her eye) and they started to giggle about it. It was difficult to not feel so enraged; especially when they both sat with their heads down, refusing to look at Ms Arias' autopsy photos on the screen, all the while hearing her family sob in the courtroom. In the surveillance video, I recall one of the girls even blaming the victim that it was her fault for offering them a ride and that she was asking to be killed.

    I'm the type of person who has always gone out of my way to help people, but since this case, I've been much more careful in not offering help to strangers; an unfortunate thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonesy_26 View Post
    This worries me when I think about how my kids will make it through high school with kids out there like this.....granted they have a while, but will it ever get better?

    Such little regard for life, and so fast to kill. There is no separation between adult and minor with crimes like these. They should be put away forever or put to death.

    Oh no, I am sure they can be rehabilitated with kindness and love.
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    Quote Originally Posted by QKShooter View Post
    This was a worthwhile post and a reason to continue to keep this old thread open for further discussion.
    Meant no disrespect, and apologize if thats how it came across. Kids like that are one of the reasons I started carrying in the first place.
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    I'm not saying we should kill all the stupid people. I'm saying remove all the warning labels and let the problem sort itself out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ianthin View Post
    Meant no disrespect, and apologize if thats how it came across. Kids like that are one of the reasons I started carrying in the first place.

    You're fine with your post.

    I probably should have quoted this post in my above comment.

    I remember this case and was a juror when it went to trial. There was no doubt that these two girls were guilty of their crime. I remember when we saw a video of them together at the station to be questioned, one of the girls was re-enacting how the mother convulsed as she was shot (she was hit twice...one round went thru her ear and out her eye) and they started to giggle about it. It was difficult to not feel so enraged; especially when they both sat with their heads down, refusing to look at Ms Arias' autopsy photos on the screen, all the while hearing her family sob in the courtroom. In the surveillance video, I recall one of the girls even blaming the victim that it was her fault for offering them a ride and that she was asking to be killed.

    I'm the type of person who has always gone out of my way to help people, but since this case, I've been much more careful in not offering help to strangers; an unfortunate thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Struckat View Post
    Oh no, I am sure they can be rehabilitated with kindness and love.
    I realize you were being sarcastic.

    That said, these two girls sound like psychopaths. There is no rehabilitation, no fix, no treatment, for psychopaths.

    Some are born, some are made, but there is no known fix. If there is anything positive anyplace in this picture it is that they (psychopaths) absolutely know what they are doing is wrong, which means they have no chance of using insanity as a defense.

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    The two were convicted of first-degree murder and sentenced to 60+ yrs in prison for the crimes: click.

    At sentencing, Riverside Superior Court Judge F. Paul Dickerson III sentenced “child monsters” Cordova and Salinas to the maximum possible sentence citing that the “horrendous nature” of the crime outweighed the age of the two teen girls.
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    Someone that can laugh at another persons suffering and death that they caused is definitely a psychopath and should be locked away for everyone's safety.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ccw9mm View Post
    The two were convicted of first-degree murder and sentenced to 60+ yrs in prison for the crimes: click.

    At sentencing, Riverside Superior Court Judge F. Paul Dickerson III sentenced “child monsters” Cordova and Salinas to the maximum possible sentence citing that the “horrendous nature” of the crime outweighed the age of the two teen girls.

    They got off easy, in my opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PEF View Post
    They got off easy, in my opinion.
    Yes, they did.

    60yrs with possibility of parole isn't my idea of sufficient removal from society. Hanging is, the proverbial guillotine is. Much cheaper, as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ccw9mm View Post
    Yes, they did.

    60yrs with possibility of parole isn't my idea of sufficient removal from society. Hanging is, the proverbial guillotine is. Much cheaper, as well.
    I agree with the bold part. They earned a death sentence. They are incapable of rehabilitation or conformance with the rules of society - the wiring just isn't there. They did not see what they did as wrong at the time and they still don't. They won't make the mistake of getting caught next time. If either of them are released on parole, it will be just a matter of time before they kill someone else. Releasing them from prison is, with high probability, the same as turning a better trained serial killer loose on society.

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