Man Shoots Motorcycle Thief 3 Times, and is Released by Police

Man Shoots Motorcycle Thief 3 Times, and is Released by Police

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    Man Shoots Motorcycle Thief 3 Times, and is Released by Police

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    A homeowner shot and wounded a man who he said was trying to steal a motorcycle from the back of his pickup early Friday morning on the 100 block of Victoria Court.

    Police barricaded the street after the shooting shortly after 3:30 a.m., and the suspect was taken to a hospital with nonlife-threatening injuries.

    Sean Dunbar, 31, shot 18-year-old Christian Bautista of Stockton three times in the hand and shoulder after a brief footchase, said Tracy detective Craig Kootstra. Bautista was taken to Sutter Tracy Community Hospital.

    Dunbar kept him at gunpoint until police arrived. Bautista’s .38-caliber revolver was lying in the middle of the street and he was conscious when officers got on scene.

    Officers questioned Dunbar and released him, while Bautista was arrested on suspicion of theft, assault with a deadly weapon, carrying a loaded firearm with the intent to commit a felony and carrying a concealed firearm.
    I still am undecided if theft of property is worth using deadly force. Certainly go out and stop the guy, and attempt to hold him until police arrive, but if he runs, oh frickin well. Maybe next time. This happened in Kalifornia, so I guess some parts of the state use common sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CT-Mike View Post
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    I still am undecided if theft of property is worth using deadly force. Certainly go out and stop the guy, and attempt to hold him until police arrive, but if he runs, oh frickin well. Maybe next time. This happened in Kalifornia, so I guess some parts of the state use common sense.
    Perp had a gun, see what he was arrested for? His gun was found in the middle of the street. So the property owner sees what he assumes is an unarmed guy, goes out and chases him, in the foot chase it became a gunfight. Sure, in retrospect not a great idea but honestly, I might have done the same thing.
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    The kid needs to take some marksmanship courses!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ Husker View Post
    The kid needs to take some marksmanship courses!
    That's an understatement. I'm sure he's telling everyone he knows that he winged him on purpose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CT-Mike View Post
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    I still am undecided if theft of property is worth using deadly force. Certainly go out and stop the guy, and attempt to hold him until police arrive, but if he runs, oh frickin well. Maybe next time. This happened in Kalifornia, so I guess some parts of the state use common sense.
    Let me give you my opinion...
    They used to 'hang' horse thieves (that equates to cars today)...hang 'em high...maybe that's the answer...it's got my vote.
    We have watered down our laws and punishments too much...
    I say that if respect of the law diminishes, then you better FEAR it.

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    legally, it's not generally acceptable to shoot someone over theft of property, although some states are exceptions (i.e. texas).

    ethically, i'm not so opposed to it.
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    Remember, the BG was armed with a .38!

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    If it was a Harley, three times is not near enough!

    Just kidding, of course.
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    I image the owner sees someone messing with his bike and goes out to yell at em and run em off and, of course, he has his gun, and the perp then brings out his gun... so then... it all changes and becomes a self defense shooting. Its not about the bike at that point, its about being confronted with a Criminal committing a Felony armed with a gun who has it out.

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    I'm with retsupt99. In fact, "eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth" seems like a good policy. But some rope and a tree branch will work in a pinch.
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    hang him high.
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    I'm not in favor of shooting folks over property. But for anyone who ever rode a bike, a motorcycle is not property. You know what I mean. The feel of the machine, how it handles, etc. You know that machine inside and out. Its not a cage and its not easily replaced, its a very personal thing!

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    Hey, Sharia Law fans - there are plenty of countries where they cut the hands off of thieves and such. Many of them end in -Stan... Feel free to move there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phaed View Post
    legally, it's not generally acceptable to shoot someone over theft of property, although some states are exceptions (i.e. Texas).
    Damn straight! God bless Texas!

    A citizen should have every right to protect him/herself, their family and their property. If you don't want to be shot, don't go around trying to hurt people or steal stuff!

    It's that simple!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ctr View Post
    I'm not in favor of shooting folks over property. But for anyone who ever rode a bike, a motorcycle is not property. You know what I mean. The feel of the machine, how it handles, etc. You know that machine inside and out. Its not a cage and its not easily replaced, its a very personal thing!
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