This is a discussion on Minister wounds 2 in shootout within the In the News: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly forums, part of the The Back Porch category; He agonizes over shooting brothers at Grand Park football field; their mother says, 'Tell him I am thankful.' By BRIDGET MURPHY, The Times-Union Sixty-three-year-old grandfather ...
He agonizes over shooting brothers at Grand Park football field; their mother says, 'Tell him I am thankful.'
By BRIDGET MURPHY, The Times-Union
Sixty-three-year-old grandfather Joe Dixon clutched a Bible as he sat in his Jacksonville home Friday and, after a sleepless night, asked himself yet again:
"Why did I do this? Why did this happen? I'm a preacher. I'm a Christian. I try to do things right. I don't like to see people get hurt."
A short drive away, two brothers, one 17 and the other 18, were in hospital beds at Shands Jacksonville. One was fresh from the operating room, the other being prepped for the same treatment: surgery to implant a pin in his leg after police said a bullet from Dixon's gun tore into it Thursday.
Police arrested Dimitri Lamar Gauldin, 18, of the 4800 block of Walcott Avenue, and Devin Lavaughn Gauldin, 17, of the 4900 block of Campenella Drive, charging both with aggravated assault. The older brother also faces a second felony of firing a gun from a vehicle in public.
The shooting on the football field at Grand Park on Henrietta Street came as more than two dozen children practiced -- Dixon's 9-year-old grandson and the brothers' 11-year-old sibling among them.
After a pushing match that witnesses said involved the brothers and at least one football coach, police said the brothers took out guns and fired at an unidentified person with whom it's believed they wanted to settle a score.
The gunfire sent cheerleaders, football players, parents and coaches scrambling. Dixon himself left, helping his grandson into his vehicle while noticing the gunmen walking back to their black Crown Victoria just a few yards away.
Dixon, a Bethel Baptist Institutional Church preacher who has a concealed weapons permit, told his grandson to hit the floor of their Toyota Sequoia.
Then he made the choice he lived over and over Friday.
"I went toward their car and told them, 'You're not going anywhere,'" Dixon said Friday, recalling how he showed the teens his gun.
Then they started shooting, Dixon said, with one bullet hitting his vehicle.
So he returned fire, with a bullet finding its mark in Dimitri's leg, who fell out of the now-fleeing Crown Victoria.
Dixon said he made the man drop his gun before the car circled back.
But Dixon had time to reload and as Devin scooped his brother off the ground, the grandfather had words for the younger brother as he held them both at gunpoint.
"I told him, 'Both of you all are going to stay here until the police get here.'"
But Devin tried to grab the gun Dixon had made Dimitri toss away. So Dixon squeezed off another round, which struck Devin in the leg.
As sirens wailed in the distance, the Crown Victoria sped away, with, police believe, three other men inside.
As Dixon read from a well-worn Bible, one he's used to help share scripture with juvenile deliquents as part of a jail ministry he has been part of for years, he said Friday that he wants to help the brothers turn their lives around.
That may be the only reason God arranged such a meeting Thursday, he said.
"I wasn't going out there to be nobody's hero. I was trying to be a peacemaker. ... It wasn't about me. It was about those children, my grandson, and the people in the park."
But despite his faith, Dixon said he was still struggling to find peace.
So the retiree, who grew up in one of the city's toughest housing projects, did one of the things he does best.
"Let the mother of those kids know that they're in prayers," Dixon said. "Although they were wrong, somebody loves them and I'm praying for those boys and the boys that got away too so they come to Jesus. I'm just a plain old man that come up in the Blodgett Homes and just made it in life now. I'm here now, but I used to be over there."
A short drive away, fresh from a visit to Shands Jacksonville, the mother of the brothers cried when she got his message.
"It's hard. It's hard," said Tonya Frazier, 36. "... I thank God that it is this situation instead of me having to bury my children Saturday. I'm in disbelief right now. I feel pain for my children. I am thankful he did not kill my children."
"Tell him," she said of Dixon, sobs choking her voice, "Tell him I am thankful."
An armed preacher can be an interesting thing - he can tell you to pray to the Good Lord, or arrange for a more direct meeting....
If total government control equals safety, why are prisons so dangerous?
Maybe a little bit of burning hot lead in the legs and some time "in hospital" to "think things over" really WILL turn those boys around. Let's hope so.
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I am afraid the gang bangers will be out to revenge the shooting of their fellow bangers.
Yea, they'll probably think things over and then sue, ans we know who will get the short end of that stick!Originally Posted by QKShooter
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I was TRYING to have a little FAITH OK? They were plugged by a preacher.
Maybe they have "seen the light" shining through those holes in their legs.
It's the retribution angle I'd be most concerned about - not so sure that even our esteemed cleric will have success in ''converting'' those kids.
I'd be interested to know how this plays out over time.
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I will try to keep up to date on this and post any news.Originally Posted by P95Carry
I wouldn't have engaged a single armed perp with my child at hand as well like that, much less two. I'd retreat/cover her retreat and be a good witness for when the police arrived. "They left in such and such model/color of car with a tag # of such and such and they looked like..." No way I leave my child like that.
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Hope everything works out for the minister.
It seems to me if the perps are leaving the danger is over. I do not think he should have approached the brothers. Maybe being a good witness would have been better than being a hero. Leaving a kid, probably not the best thing to do.
But I was not there and he was. Hate to pass judgement relying on a news article for all the facts.
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I think once I had my Grandson in the car and he was out of danger I would have got on the horn to the cops all the while getting out of town. The article said that the guys were going back to the car were they reloading of leaving the scene. Then it says that he leaves his grandson and walks toward these guys states that they are not leaving. Well, he very much could have died there. Yes, they were terribly wrong, but his grandson and others were safe call the cops let them leave and get a tag number. I don't know guys. Go ahead let the games begin :chairshot
Listen, Think and React.....Nuff Said.....
Originally Posted by CombatEffective
Just read your post Combat Effective I agree. You are right post up and call. Sun Tzu is awesome reading and in this case too much was at risk.
Listen, Think and React.....Nuff Said.....
At the point when they went back to their car, no one was in immediate danger. He should have called the police and maintained a safe distance. If he had fired when they were shooting, I'd have no problem with what he did.Originally Posted by Wyoming