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Didn't take the Brady Bunch Long

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gun Bunny View Post
    ...Congress' passing and the President's signing of the NICS improvement Amendments Act to strengthen the Brady background checks system was a positive first step. Now, we need to close the gun show loophole...

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    I fail to see where the gun show "loophole" had anything to do with any recent shootings. Why not ask to ban "assault" weapons again since the guy used pistols and a shotgun?

    Darwin can't work fast enough on these people.
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    If you want to make some laws that might deter a future mass murder or two, try making it illegal to release the name of the murderer(s). That way they gain no fame. Make it illegal to release any of their writings or videos about why they did it, so they can't use mass murder to "get their message out." Make it illegal for anyone to produce their stories as movies, books or TV shows.

    Then anyone who commits this kind of crime dies in obscurity and just goes away.

    Of course that would be attacking the first amendment, and those who prefer to attack the second amendment would scream like stuck pigs.

    Just wishing, I guess.
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    Cool Ban Doctors

    Doctors and Guns

    Here's some statistics that you may find of interest... (No offense intended to any doctors on this forum.)

    Doctors:
    (A) The number of doctors in the U.S. Is 700,000
    (B) Accidental deaths caused by physicians per year are 120,000
    (C) Accidental deaths per physician is 17.14%
    Statistics courtesy of the U.S. Dept. Of Health & Human Services

    Guns:
    (A) The number of gun owners in the U.S. Is 80,000,000 (yes that's 80 million)
    (B) The number of accidental gun deaths per year, all age groups, is 1,500
    (C) The number of accidental deaths per gun owner is 0.001875%
    Statistics courtesy of the FBI

    So statistically, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners.
    Remember, guns don't kill people, doctors do.

    FACT: NOT EVERYONE HAS A GUN, BUT ALMOST EVERYONE HAS AT LEAST ONE DOCTOR

    Please alert your friends to this alarming threat.

    We must ban doctors before this gets completely out of hand!!!
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    The Brady Bunch is a gaggle of hateful anti-gunners who detest the fact that you are allowed to protect yourself and your family from the scum who prey on our society. They are opposed to any meaningful punishment for violent felons. These are idealistic dreamers who have never been in touch with reality.

    Just read a short piece written by some naive dreamer who claimed that the NIU shooter had a "brilliant" career ahead of him in criminal justice. Who in his/her right mind is going to hire a guy who was thrown out of the military on a "psychological discharge, " spent a year in the nuthouse, cut himself and refused to take his meds.

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    FOID

    Since the State of illinoy issued him and FOID aren't they supposed to check for problems such as mental instability. He was committed in Illinois so there should have been a record. It seems that some of the Brady schemes are already falling through since this is what this latest Bill sought.

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    Since the State of illinoy issued him and FOID aren't they supposed to check for problems such as mental instability. He was committed in Illinois so there should have been a record.
    Exactly.

    The state of IL does not trust law abiding citizens with guns. Citizens who wish to buy a gun must be issued a FOID card. The state of IL claims that they run "background checks" before issuing FOID cards.

    The nutcase murderer was in a mental institution in IL for one year. Guess he "fell through the cracks." IMO: It looks like a very good case for a lawsuit against the state of IL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sig 210 View Post
    Exactly.

    The state of IL does not trust law abiding citizens with guns. Citizens who wish to buy a gun must be issued a FOID card. The state of IL claims that they run "background checks" before issuing FOID cards.

    The nutcase murderer was in a mental institution in IL for one year. Guess he "fell through the cracks." IMO: It looks like a very good case for a lawsuit against the state of IL.
    I agree, someone needs to check the checkers. All these background checks to which we're subjected, and we've got two recent shooters who, according to the rules, really should not have had guns. I guess they can just pass more restrictions, administer them negligently, and use that negligence as an excuse to pass yet more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by agentmel View Post
    Personally, I don't care why someone commits mass murder.
    +1 on that in fact I'd take it one step further in saying that a normal moral human being does not have the capacity to understand that degree of sickness like child molesters can anyone explain that? Of course not, beyond knowing it is totally evil and inhuman. They are the vilest of all creatures. Kill it, burn the remains, don't let it get in the water supply.
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    Reportedly... the lied on the application as to the question of whether or not he had been treated for mental illness within the last five year. Apparently they have no way to determine in the process of background checks unless the treatment was court ordered and then reported to be added to the data base. Unlike with the VT shooter where there were court records that were just not transmitted to a national database he could have simply lied and his Medical records would be protected and unavailable. His treatment was voluntary and therefore not documented to the NICS database and he could simply lie about it and did. Chao also lied about his on his NICS check too. And it did not show up because Virginia had no method of reporting the ordered treatment and the treatment was considered Voluntary by the court. He was ordered to submit but then agreed to submit. So, for some technical reason, that was also considered voluntary treatment or something like that. I don't quite understand why but it was never recorded. So he also lied on his application and it was never denied because there was no record of it ever submitted.

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    Actually, I thought it was that his loony bin time was more than five years ago. The guy was 27 and he was committed as a teen. That's for the state FOID; the federal NICS check does not have the five year limit though, IIRC...
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    Quote Originally Posted by cphilip View Post
    Reportedly... the lied on the application as to the question of whether or not he had been treated for mental illness within the last five year. Apparently they have no way to determine in the process of background checks unless the treatment was court ordered and then reported to be added to the data base.
    The whole idea of registration, certification, license and permits are all twisted around backwards. I assume we all are law biding citizens. The government has no business questioning our integrity or stability sticking their nose where it does not belong. If they want to stop felons and whack jobs from having guns it is simple. Mess with them not us. Require scum bags whack jobs stamps on all their state issued ID as soon as they are convicted or diagnosed.
    That way any American citizen can walk into any store that sells guns present ID that proves: American citizenship, No Felon stamp, No Wacko stamp. The rest is not their business. Buy gun of choice & ammo. Carry gun out open or concealed as they see fit anywhere any time. Commit a crime with the gun penalty is double, no deals no pardons for forgiveness. No problem
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