NRA: The Untold Story of Gun Confiscation After Katrina (Video) (Merged)

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    NRA: The Untold Story of Gun Confiscation After Katrina (Video) (Merged)

    Ok, so here's a video of people who got their guns confiscated in NO during hurricane Katrina.

    The part that bothers me is that it's only showing one side of the story. What is the other side's story...? Was there some type of Martial Law declared? I believe that the NRA if filing suit against the gov. for confiscating peoples guns but I haven't heard the argument as to what authority were these guns confiscated?

    Disclaimer: the amount of times that I use the term "guns confiscated" is not meant for subliminal purposes.

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    I wish I could say this video surprised me, but it doesn't. I have very little faith in our Government upholding our 2nd ammendment rights.
    Our guns can be taken no matter what the USA constitution says or your state constitution says.....Like the old man said , "it's not the same country".

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    Have there been any lawsuits filed about this?

    Any why not just say that you don't have any guns? In retrospect, they probably would have let you go. Maybe not. Maybe they would have searched the vehicles anyways.
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    I have the whole DVD from the NRA. You can order it. I also was able to speak with Wayne LaPierre in person about the movie when it was presented at a Long Island SAFE meeting a couple years ago.

    The NRA and SAF (I believe) filed suit within days of the confiscations starting. The confiscations were announced by the NO Chief of police and carried out by NO LEOs and other LEOs from around the nation who were there. The NRA provided video of the announcement to confiscate in court then provided multiple examples of the confiscations. They had a list of people who had their guns stolen which was provided by some of the LEOs with issues carrying out the orders.

    There was no legal authority for the gov't to confiscate these arms, martial law or not. The court ordered an immediate cessation of the confiscations and return of the weapons. Some are in a trailer and if you can find them there and have proof of ownership (right) you can claim them. Most who go to the trailers though for lost arms, even with serial numbers, never find them as they went home with the thieving LEOs... To this day there is a stale mate as to returns and it is likely to never go away. Lesson is, don't live in NO and if disaster strikes there do not go to help (remember the boat captain bringing supplies who had his arms taken).

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    There was also a law signed by a bunch of states(LA included) stating that the state government could NOT confiscate arms,even in an emergency situation like Katrina.
    "The right of the whole people, old and young, men, women and boys, and not militia only, to keep and bear arms of every description, not such merely as are used by the militia, shall not be infringed, curtailed, or broken in upon, in the smallest degree..."
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    Quote Originally Posted by kentuckycarry View Post
    I wish I could say this video surprised me, but it doesn't. I have very little faith in our Government upholding our 2nd ammendment rights.
    Our guns can be taken no matter what the USA constitution says or your state constitution says.....Like the old man said , "it's not the same country".
    One has to realize the fact that they actually got away with this. There might be repercussions, albeit few and far between and minuscule in nature, but it will be all the easier for them to try it again. If government and law enforcement officials actually receive judicial punishment over this, they may think twice about it in the future. Of course there is always the chance they would seek alternative methods in complete domination over their fellow Americans.

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    There was no legal authority for the gov't to confiscate these arms, martial law or not. The court ordered an immediate cessation of the confiscations and return of the weapons. Some are in a trailer and if you can find them there and have proof of ownership (right) you can claim them.
    Demanding proof of ownership makes such confiscations nearly as effective as never offering them up for return. But it's hard to see how not requiring proof would be a good thing. Which brings us to the original problem: the confiscations were illegal and unconstitutional from the outset and should never have occurred. Crimes against the Constitution simply don't garner the attention they should, sadly. That they don't is criminal in the extreme, IMO.

    Lesson is, don't live in NO and if disaster strikes there do not go to help (remember the boat captain bringing supplies who had his arms taken).
    It can happen anywhere. All it takes is an unscrupulous turning of the eye, on the part of the "authority" in power over you at the moment. Nothing more. Having the "right" to be armed merely allows you to sue for recompense when it's taken from you; it does nothing to stop it from happening in the first place, as the criminal N.O. confiscations show us, if that "authority" chooses to take it.

    And, yes, this is a fairly one-sided view of things. I have yet to hear much from any "official" of the governing powers that acknowledges the clear violations and crimes committed, during Katrina's confiscations. But, years afterwards with no comments or refutation by "authorities," it's hard to think the story would be any different than what's being claimed. I think it is what it is, as described.

    God help us, for guarding against unscrupulous and tyrannical "authority," which is a tough and dangerous row to hoe.
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    Last thing I heard was the Nagin had been cited for contempt of court order for not returning them. All he did was create a difficult method of recovery that most could not meet. He made it so difficult to identify them that most could not. He required original sales receipts and in many case those were lost or never existed. Many guns were family hand me downs or the receipts were long lost or destroyed in the Hurricane. It appears that when they confiscated them they gave no receipts nor keep any formal tracking of who they took them from. Thereby making it near impossible to claim them. And I never heard the outcome of his contempt citation. I believe it is still in court. He should be in jail for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cphilip View Post
    Last thing I heard was the Nagin had been cited for contempt of court order for not returning them. All he did was create a difficult method of recovery that most could not meet. He made it so difficult to identify them that most could not. He required original sales receipts and in many case those were lost or never existed. Many guns were family hand me downs or the receipts were long lost or destroyed in the Hurricane. It appears that when they confiscated them they gave no receipts nor keep any formal tracking of who they took them from. Thereby making it near impossible to claim them. And I never heard the outcome of his contempt citation. I believe it is still in court. He should be in jail for it.
    .....and yet, he was re-elected.

    I just don't get it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cphilip View Post
    He required original sales receipts and in many case those were lost or never existed. Many guns were family hand me downs or the receipts were long lost or destroyed in the Hurricane.
    It really should be enough that they were on file by their mortgage company, electric company and telephone company as residents of record. To require all these missing, mangled/flooded documents is effectively making the confiscation stick, in direct contravention of the court order. It's BS of the first order.

    The schmuck got reelected, too. More of the same is coming, should a similar "emergency" raise its head and cause the chief to become fearful of his own people's ability to defend themselves.
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    Looks like the chief tried, But Nagin has him covered.
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    There were some instances where LEOs gave receipts. Some people came home to find their home had been broken into and ransacked with a receipt for the stolen arms left by the LEOs. More often the guns were simply taken and those doing so refused to provide a receipt. On some occasions rifles had their stocks broken on the curb before the owner's eyes.

    While the NO LEOs and those from around the nation who assisted them conducted this bit of Nazi Jack Booted Thuggery other NO LEOs were doing this...

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    Notwithstanding the flagrant violation of the rights of citizens of the US of A, moreover the citizens of the sovereign state of LA, I see the need to:
    1. document and catalog each firearm each of us own,
    2. draft a receipt of confiscation for each of these firearms.

    Documentation would include digital photographs and written record, perhaps accompanied by proof of purchase and/or appraisal. The Receipt of Confiscation would avert the arguement given that the police don't have the time to make up the receipts; here they'd only have to put down their signature, and the gun owner would print the officer's name and badge number. These records then would be sealed up in some water-proof/fire-proof container by the gun owner and delivered to one's lawyer after the catastrophic episode had abated.

    3. have a hidden cache.
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    I don't know if they helped with the confiscations but here are some SWAT members who went to NO from NJ.
    MyFox New York | Hoboken City Council Meets Over SWAT Team-Hooters Photos

    I have no problem with letting off steam and if it was just SWAT guys at Hooters I would be fine. Having photos of guys in "uniform" drinking from the bottles and then lining up Hooters girls with ARs and Shottys while drinking and cavorting is NOT how they should have been behaving. These were the LEOs sent to restore order to NO... Being from NJ I would bet they had no problems with an illegal confiscation order...

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