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    Statistics Canada study confirms firearms and violent crime not linked

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    Statistics Canada study confirms firearms and violent crime not linked

    Ottawa – Saskatchewan M.P. Garry Breitkreuz says a new Statistics Canada study proves that hunters and sport shooters have nothing in common with violent criminals. Breitkreuz started his fight against useless gun control laws in 1994 and part of that fight has been to relentlessly expose the truth about the relationship between violent crime and guns.

    Last Wednesday, Statistics Canada released its study for 2006 entitled: Firearms and Violent Crime (see link below). It reported that firearms were used in only 2.4 percent of all violent crime in Canada in 2006. It also reported that handguns (that are supposed to have been registered since 1934) made up nearly two-thirds of all firearms used. CanWest news summarized the Statistics Canada report this way: “In 2006, three-quarters of all violent crime victims were attacked by people without any weapons at all. Knives, clubs and other blunt instruments were used against 9.2 per cent of victims, while guns were used against only 2.4 percent. Knives were used to commit more murders, robberies, sexual assaults and assaults than guns.”

    “In December 2006, I released unpublished Statistics Canada tables showing that of the total homicides committed between 1997 and 2005, only 2.27 percent were committed with a registered gun,” explains Breitkreuz. “Only 1.21 percent were committed with a firearm registered to the accused murderer, and 2.14 percent were committed by a person that held a valid firearms licence (see link below). Obviously, law-abiding gun owners aren’t the problem and yet the Government of Ontario and the City of Toronto want to ban the handguns owned by honest citizens.

    “Why is there a Liberal, NDP and Bloc preoccupation with guns owned by citizens that aren’t the problem?” asks Breitkreuz. “Remember that 102 of 108 handgun homicides (94 per cent) in 2006 were committed with unregistered handguns or the registration status was unknown. We need mandatory minimum sentences for using weapons in violent crimes. Knife and club attacks occur at a rate almost four times higher than guns.

    “That’s why the federal government introduced Bill C-2, our Tackling Violent Crime Act,” he adds. “Statistics Canada tables also show that knives and clubs result in more injuries than guns (see link below). This study makes it obvious that we need all governments to focus on the real problem of violent crime and especially target those criminals that use any type of weapon in the commission of an offence.”



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    The Daily, Wednesday, February 20, 2008. Study: Firearms and violent crime

    December 7, 2006 - 5,194 homicides 9 years: Only 2.27% of guns were registered
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    ***NEWS FLASH***

    Study proves what we already knew!!!

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    Not to be flippant but how many times do studies have to prove this before it is accepted as fact. The Anti's will never accept it and we accepted this years ago. I don't think anything is ever going to change in that regard.
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    Hmm maybe they'll just ban knives and clubs....wait, isn't Great Britain all ready trying that? Or was that just banning imitation Samurai swords.

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    I know they should ban violent crime, I mean banning drugs got rid of them right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigEFan View Post
    ***NEWS FLASH***

    Study proves what we already knew!!!

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    Not to be flippant but how many times do studies have to prove this before it is accepted as fact. The Anti's will never accept it and we accepted this years ago. I don't think anything is ever going to change in that regard.
    Dittos trying to drive this fact home to an anti is akin to trying to hammer a nail with a rotten banana.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pgrass101 View Post
    I know they should ban violent crime, I mean banning drugs got rid of them right?
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    Agreed lets ban violent crimes
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    The virdict is in and has been established a long time ago. Facts, statistics and truth are irrelevent to Anti's!
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    Lets have a country where we ban the PEOPLE and let the guns and knives live in peace.
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    For those like me who wonder these things when ti comes to news reports it seems that Statistics Canada is a part of Canadian government that tracks, tabulates, and assess data of multiple sorts directly akin to the work information results that the U.S. CDC does (see 'WISQARS') and our own U.S. Dept. of Justice Office of Justice Programs - Bureau of Justice Statistics. Also the United Nations has it's own similar outfit of analysis called the United Nations Interregional Crime and Justice Research Institute (UNICRI).

    The results and findings of this Canadian group are going to be extremely difficult for nay sayers to refute as being bogus or slanted or incomplete.


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    (I'm not entirely sure this belongs in the "Personal Defense in the News" area, but I could be wrong.)

    Janq, that's part of why I was glad to see this report come out. A couple like reports have come out of the UK (and most of the countries within it individually), and I've been waiting for some time for Canada to post its conclusions to the public. Sad stuff, but good information to have on-hand.


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    http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/sub...-4730822c.html

    Better to ban walks in rain than pellet guns

    By: Marty Gobin

    Updated: March 9, 2008 at 12:45 AM CST

    In the wake of the tragic death of 13-year-old Cody Shuya, Canada's leading gun control advocate is calling for the government to interfere with something as trivial as pellet-gun ownership.

    Wendy Cukier, president of the Coalition for Gun Control, recently told the Winnipeg Free Press that pellet guns can kill and are a safety problem. She cites a 2005 Canadian Pediatric Society report entitled Youth and Firearms in Canada to prove her point, and says that the report details 11 deaths caused by pellet- gun injuries.

    A quick investigation of the report Cukier cites, however, reveals some surprising details. The death data were not compiled in 2005. Nor were they compiled by the Canadian Pediatric Society. And the data definitely doesn't come from Canada.

    The report that Cukier cites gets its death data by referring to a separate report, written by an Akron, Ohio-based doctor in 1990. The original report, entitled Fatal Nonpowder Firearm Wounds: Case Report and Review of the Literature, details American deaths, not Canadian deaths.

    So why would Cukier use a report about a report, instead of referring directly to the source? The answer should be obvious to anybody who reads the Ohio report.

    Out of the 11 deaths in the original American report, only one of the deaths involved a pellet gun that wouldn't already be regulated in Canada -- a Daisy Model 1200 carbon-dioxide pistol. The remaining deaths were all committed with pellet guns which, although unregulated by most states in the U.S., already are treated as firearms in Canada.

    The 11 deaths in the original report occurred between 1956 and 1990 -- that's 34 years, or less than one death every three years. If anything, the original report is damning evidence the pellet guns that are treated as firearms in Canada ought to be deregulated, since pellet guns rarely cause deaths.

    But it gets better.

    If we take an average of the U.S. census population data between 1950 and 1990 (population data are only taken every decade), we find that the odds of an American having been killed by a pellet gun not regulated by Canadian law at some point during that 34-year sample period was 1 in 201,840,615. That's an annual chance of death of 1 in 6,862,580,910 -- more than the Earth's annual population at any point during those 34 years. Keep in mind that these odds assume the population consisted of the same people and nobody died during that period, meaning the actual odds are even more outlandish.

    To get an idea of what a 1 in 6,862,580,910 chance of death by Canadian-unregulated pellet guns is, compare those odds to what the National Weather Service says the annual chance of an American being struck by lightning is -- 1 in 400,000.

    That means that during any given year in that time period, it was over 17,000 times more likely that an American would be struck by lightning than killed by a pellet gun exempt from Canadian regulation.

    So there it is. Wendy Cukier doesn't refer to the original report, because Canadians would realize that the Coalition for Gun Control would be doing more for public safety by banning walking outside during thunderstorms than by calling for more controls on pellet guns.

    Of course, the crusade against pellet guns isn't about actual safety. It's about an ideological war against personal choice, in which the left is attempting to ban everything they don't personally see any value in. If they can convince the Canadian public to accept more pellet-gun laws despite the all but zero risk of death, one can only imagine what the next ban or regulation will entail.

    One thing's for sure, though: they won't try to ban any of the more dangerous activities they participate in themselves, such as walking outdoors during a storm. After all, it's not their own freedoms they object to -- it's the freedoms of every other Canadian that ought to be restricted.


    Marty Gobin is communications director of the Ontario Libertarian Party and a member of the Canadian Shooting Sports Association.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BAC View Post
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    What more need be said. Spread the word folks.


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    California seems to be the test control. 80,000 gangbangers and tons of shootings. And they have strict gun laws. Both the gangbangers and the politicians are morons.

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    Unfortunately the OP article also proves the Antis point. Canada is down to 200ish deaths by handgun per year, significantly lower than the US. That battle is all but won, now they can either retire or focus on the next step, sharp pointy things and heavyish blunt things. Following in the footsteps of the UK.

    We know that it is not the weapon, but the person holding it that is the problem. Antis, well...they want over population and death by natural causes only.
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    I want death by natural causes as my only possible exit from this world, but unlike the anti's I realize that I might need to defend myself at some point to ensure that old age is what eventually gets me. And a firearm is an excellent tool for leveling that particular playing field.
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