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    Well it is official, Mr Spiers has been let go by Pizza Hut:

    Pink slip delivered to 'Pizza Man' | DesMoinesRegister.com | The Des Moines Register

    A Des Moines pizza delivery driver who was suspended after he shot an alleged armed robber said today that he has been fired.

    James William Spiers III, 38, said Pizza Hut officials asked for his resignation in exchange for at least two months' pay and counseling.

    "I was terminated, but they’re not going to kick me to the curb," he said. "When they terminated me, I had asked if they could provide me with counseling. That’s all I asked for."

    Spiers fired multiple shots at a man who allegedly put a gun to his head on March 28 and demanded money at the Sutton Hill Apartments, 2100 S.E. King Ave.

    The suspect, Kenneth Jimmerson, 19, was arrested when he later called for medical help. Jimmerson, who police say suffered at least three gunshot wounds, survived his injuries and faces a first-degree robbery charge. Melanie Stout, 18, who allegedly called in the pizza order, is charged with conspiracy.

    Spiers, who has a valid handgun permit, said it was the first time in 10 years on the job that he had been a robbery victim. Public reaction was immediate and overwhelmingly in favor of Spiers.

    But Vonnie Walbert, vice president of human resources at Pizza Hut's corporate offices in Dallas, said earlier this month that employees are not allowed to carry guns "because we believe that that is the safest for everybody."

    "Now the area regional manager is going to offer me a paycheck for the next couple of months, minimum wage every two weeks," Spiers said. "They can’t make up for tips."

    Police said that when officers arrived, Spiers had both handguns, and the wounded robber had fled.

    "My life was, without a doubt, in danger. I wouldn't have shot anybody if I didn't think my life was in danger." Spiers said. "In my circumstance, there was no way out."

    A state senator said he would stop buying Pizza Hut products if the pizza chain fired Spiers. Register readers threatened similar boycotts.

    "I think what he did was the right thing," Sen. Brad Zaun, a Republican from Urbandale, said earlier this month. "If was in a situation to protect my family, protect myself, to continue being a father, I would've done the same thing."

    Zaun said today that the news seals his decision to stop buying from Pizza Hut.

    “I think it’s the wrong decision by Pizza Hut and I will not be buying any more Pizza Hut products,” he said. “You tell me any Iowan that was in his situation, that had a gun put to his head, how they would’ve reacted differently.”

    He said he does give the pizza chain some credit for providing Spiers with some counseling.

    But Zaun said he hopes other Iowans will follow his boycott lead.

    “I would just encourage everybody to reconsider their decision when they’re considering patronizing Pizza Hut,” he said.
    Too bad for Mr. Spiers, but hopefully a business owner in the community has recognized what an asset Mr. Spiers would be and will offer him a better job.
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    Somewhere out in the Cosmos, Mr. Walbert's (Pizza Hut HR V-P) opportunity to meet a gunman demanding his wallet might just give him a different outlook on people being able to defend him/her self...
    Hope it doesn't happen, but in today's world, chances get better each day...dirtbags are multiplying like flies.
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    So this guy says on his MySpace page he makes 75-100K/year and he's robbing pizza delivery drivers?
    These perps are human garbage,too bad the pizza guy didn't take him out for good. Take a good look at the photos,this is partially where your hard earned tax dollars go.
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    Well, two or three more of these types of incidents that are Pizza Hut specific, will start turning into "Administrative Leave" pending a review of the personnel file. Then after the media dust settles, and the employee signs a "non disclosure" statement with the company, they will be back on the job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by press1280 View Post
    So this guy says on his MySpace page he makes 75-100K/year and he's robbing pizza delivery drivers?
    These perps are human garbage,too bad the pizza guy didn't take him out for good. Take a good look at the photos,this is partially where your hard earned tax dollars go.
    That income is a lie. Nobody robs a pizza guy if they have that much money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by whyipackmy45 View Post
    That income is a lie. Nobody robs a pizza guy if they have that much money.
    I'm shocked. A criminal that lies... when will the wonders cease?


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    He makes 75-100k a year robbing people,at least in his dreams
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    Quote Originally Posted by dukalmighty View Post
    He makes 75-100k a year robbing people,at least in his dreams
    Volume!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jofrdo View Post
    Why not have the policy and just not enforce it? Then, they lower their risk while still "allowing" (wink-wink) their drivers to defend themselves.
    Actually, that's how companies *really* get taken to the legal cleaners. Having policies that they -- wink-wink, nudge-nudge -- don't enforce.

    If they have the policy, they pretty much are forced to fire him.

    It's too bad companies 1) feel the need to impose restrictions on their employees above and beyond what the law already outlines, 2) aren't rational where the employees safety is concerned, and 3) don't understand the moral obligation you take on when you remove someone's ability and right to defend themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bzdog View Post
    Actually, that's how companies *really* get taken to the legal cleaners. Having policies that they -- wink-wink, nudge-nudge -- don't enforce.

    If they have the policy, they pretty much are forced to fire him.

    It's too bad companies 1) feel the need to impose restrictions on their employees above and beyond what the law already outlines, 2) aren't rational where the employees safety is concerned, and 3) don't understand the moral obligation you take on when you remove someone's ability and right to defend themselves.

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