What Ever Happened To John Horn and Due Moore??

What Ever Happened To John Horn and Due Moore??

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    What Ever Happened To John Horn and Due Moore??

    Joe Horn – The Pasadena man who shot two burglary suspects on a neighbor's property last November

    Due Moore – 72-yr-old man who shot the guy stabbing his ex-wife in a NM Wal-Mart

    Seems like the press ends shortly after the incident is reported. I am not familiar with New Mexico law, but I know in Texas there is a Grand Jury investigation into every shooting and if found innocent, the shooter is issued a "no bill." I suspect the same occurs in NM.

    Does anyone know what ever became of the legal proceedings for these two? I am not interested in any debate over the incidents themselves, I am looking for actual legal findings from them.

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    Last edited by M2; April 14th, 2008 at 07:28 PM. Reason: Changed John Horn-->Joe Horn


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    For one, it was Joe Horn, and the Grand Jury has had the case since Dec 2007. It has not been reported on since then.

    My guess is they were waiting for some of the press to die down and people to forget about it before they issue the No-Bill.

    Under TX law, it is almost impossible to indict based on the facts, and a conviction would be equally impossible. The Grand Jury was more of a formality, like you mentioned in your post.
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    I was talking about this case with my coworkers and we cant find any info anywhere.

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    Yep, 'Joe Horn'.
    As to the Wal-Mart guy I could've sworn no charges were filed against the shooter/rescuer in that case.

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    I do remember the Wal-Mart incident. No charges were filed at all. Ruled completely justified as I recall. As it should have been I might add.
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    Whoops, sorry about that, that was my typo...Joe Horn (I'll fix my original post).

    Anyone know how long a Grand Jury investigation usually takes? I later found there is a Wiki page on Horn. It has nothing about the investigation.

    And I couldn't find anything on Due Moore, so I guess since it's been over wo years since the incident and there is nothing out there on it.

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    Update: Looks like his case is finally making it to the Grand Jury. I still doubt anything will come of it, but it's coming up anyway.

    abc13.com: Case of Pasadena homeowner who shot burglary suspects goes to grand jury 5/21/08
    PASADENA, TX (KTRK) -- The case of a Pasadena homeowner who shot and killed two burglars goes to a grand jury next month.
    The district attorney's office reports the case will be heard sometime in June. Horn admitted shooting two men he saw breaking into his neighbor's house back in November.
    He claims he acted in self-defense when he saw the men on his lawn. But critics think Horn acted aggressively, based on comments he made to a 911 dispatcher.
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    From the NewMexican in 05: Bet this one was dropped as it should have been. Italics are mine, for emphasis.

    "ALBUQUERQUE (AP) - A fatal shooting at an Albuquerque Wal-Mart last week was the state's first by someone with a concealed-carry gun permit, authorities said.

    Police said Felix Vigil was attacking his ex-wife with a knife near the store's deli counter where she worked when an armed customer intervened and shot him. The woman, Joyce Cordova, was treated for multiple stab wounds and later released from an Albuquerque hospital.

    The armed customer, 72-year-old Due Moore, was interviewed after the shooting last Thursday and released.

    Police spokeswoman Officer Trish Hoffman said it appeared the shooting was justified. However, it will be up to the district attorney to decide whether Moore, a volunteer with the police department's cold case unit, will be prosecuted.

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    KTRH talk radio was also confirming what kerbouchard posted. Apparently the delay has been due to getting the forensics completed, and we all know how 'on the ball' the Houston Crime lab is.......... (yeah, right...)
    Personally, I'd be surprised if Mr. Horn is not indicted and ultimately goes to prison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dub View Post
    KTRH talk radio was also confirming what kerbouchard posted. Apparently the delay has been due to getting the forensics completed, and we all know how 'on the ball' the Houston Crime lab is.......... (yeah, right...)
    Personally, I'd be surprised if Mr. Horn is not indicted and ultimately goes to prison.
    Actually, I would be very suprised if Joe Horn does not recieve a No-Bill.

    Under defense of a 3rd party's property rights, he was completely justified in using lethal force. The added kicker is the miscreants were on his property when he fired the shots.

    I just don't think the DA will push for an indictment because I think a conviction by a TX jury is almost impossible.
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    Betcha an A&W Root Beer/Blue Bell ice cream float he does get indicted

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dub View Post
    Betcha an A&W Root Beer/Blue Bell ice cream float he does get indicted
    Them's pretty high stakes, but I'll accept the challenge.
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    NOW it's getting interesting!

    Now, just to review some of the facts...

    Texas Penal Codes 9.41., 9.42., and 9.43 justify the use of deadly force to protect property; and both of the "victims" were convicted criminals from Colombia who had entered the country illegally, and were members of an organized burglary ring in Houston. The two men ignored Horn's order to freeze when confronted, and one of the suspects ran towards Horn before he angled away from him toward the street when he was shot in the back. Pasadena police confirmed that the two men were shot after they ventured into Horn's front yard, and the detective at the scene, who was in his car at the time and witnessed the events, did not arrest Horn. A Grand Jury investigation is always conducted after such an incident, even with a police shooting.

    As such, I think Kerbouchard will be the recipient of an A&W Root Beer/Blue Bell ice cream float in the not-so-near future. I suspect this one is gonna take a while...

    While I surely don't advocate the use of lethal force unless absolutely necessary, I do think the Castle Doctrine and Concealed Carry laws of Texas serve as a warning to criminals that the law abiding citizen has the authority and means to defend themselves. I hope this would dissuade the criminals from committing crimes; but if anything they should be well aware of the possible consquences if they decide to break the law anyway.

    The bottom line is it would be nice if we didn't have to arm ourselves to protect ourselves, but that is the world we live in and there is no reason we shouldn't have the right to do so. Thank God Texas is one state that realizes it, and the only people who suffer from these laws are the criminals.

    Cheers! M2

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    Quote Originally Posted by M2 View Post
    NOW

    While I surely don't advocate the use of lethal force unless absolutely necessary, I do think the Castle Doctrine and Concealed Carry laws of Texas serve as a warning to criminals that the law abiding citizen has the authority and means to defend themselves. I hope this would dissuade the criminals from committing crimes; but if anything they should be well aware of the possible consquences if they decide to break the law anyway.

    The bottom line is it would be nice if we didn't have to arm ourselves to protect ourselves, but that is the world we live in and there is no reason we shouldn't have the right to do so. Thank God Texas is one state that realizes it, and the only people who suffer from these laws are the criminals.
    Well said M2! You gents have an AWESOME Memorial weekend!

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    Quote Originally Posted by M2 View Post
    NOW it's getting interesting!

    Now, just to review some of the facts...

    Texas Penal Codes 9.41., 9.42., and 9.43 justify the use of deadly force to protect property; and both of the "victims" were convicted criminals from Colombia who had entered the country illegally, and were members of an organized burglary ring in Houston. The two men ignored Horn's order to freeze when confronted, and one of the suspects ran towards Horn before he angled away from him toward the street when he was shot in the back. Pasadena police confirmed that the two men were shot after they ventured into Horn's front yard, and the detective at the scene, who was in his car at the time and witnessed the events, did not arrest Horn. A Grand Jury investigation is always conducted after such an incident, even with a police shooting.

    As such, I think Kerbouchard will be the recipient of an A&W Root Beer/Blue Bell ice cream float in the not-so-near future. I suspect this one is gonna take a while...

    While I surely don't advocate the use of lethal force unless absolutely necessary, I do think the Castle Doctrine and Concealed Carry laws of Texas serve as a warning to criminals that the law abiding citizen has the authority and means to defend themselves. I hope this would dissuade the criminals from committing crimes; but if anything they should be well aware of the possible consquences if they decide to break the law anyway.

    The bottom line is it would be nice if we didn't have to arm ourselves to protect ourselves, but that is the world we live in and there is no reason we shouldn't have the right to do so. Thank God Texas is one state that realizes it, and the only people who suffer from these laws are the criminals.

    Cheers! M2
    However, you need to remember that it was Horn's stated intent to kill the two men before he ever left his home, and he was clever enough to say this on tape to the 911 operator.

    Hard to claim self-defense for a premeditated killing, IMHO.

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