UGLY: Store Owner Indicted For Assault After Stopping Attackers - NYC

UGLY: Store Owner Indicted For Assault After Stopping Attackers - NYC

This is a discussion on UGLY: Store Owner Indicted For Assault After Stopping Attackers - NYC within the In the News: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly forums, part of the The Back Porch category; http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/17/ny...on&oref=slogin A Brooklyn store owner who struck a 15-year-old boy in the head with a hammer was indicted on felony assault charges on Friday, although ...

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    UGLY: Store Owner Indicted For Assault After Stopping Attackers - NYC

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/17/ny...on&oref=slogin

    A Brooklyn store owner who struck a 15-year-old boy in the head with a hammer was indicted on felony assault charges on Friday, although his lawyer said he acted in self-defense.

    The store owner, Salah Ahmed, owner of Munchies Deli in Brownsville, hit the boy, Bunkless Bovian, 15, on April 13 after seeing a security monitor in the rear of the store showing the youth and two friends up front attacking an employee, according to Gary Conroy, one of Mr. Ahmed’s lawyers.

    Mr. Ahmed was arrested and charged the next day.

    Mr. Conroy said the grand jury indicted the wrong person, since the youths were at fault for attacking Mr. Ahmed’s employee, Hazam Kassim, 19, kicking him, punching him and slashing him with a box cutter.

    Mr. Conroy said security videotape of the confrontation, which the grand jurors saw, would prove that Mr. Ahmed was innocent.

    “Mr. Ahmed is not a vigilante,” Mr. Conroy said outside the eighth-floor courtroom in Brooklyn Criminal Court moments after learning of the indictment. “Mr. Ahmed was a victim in this case. And when you look at the entire videotape and you see Mr. Ahmed assaulted even after his nephew was assaulted, he did show remarkable restraint given the circumstances.”

    Mr. Conroy added, “If this isn’t a case of self-defense, I don’t know what is.”

    Bunkless’s skull was fractured and he was placed in a medically induced coma. He remained hospitalized for five days.

    The boy, who lives in public housing near the store, is a talented basketball player at Intermediate School 323 and in youth leagues, his family has said.

    Mr. Ahmed, 36, was also indicted on additional assault charges and a weapons possession charge. He faces up to 25 years in prison if convicted. He had been arraigned on $150,000 bail, but that has been reduced to $35,000.

    David Epstein, who is also representing Mr. Ahmed, said: “We weren’t cocky, but we assumed this case was going to be dropped. We thought it was a no-brainer.”
    I was going to say that only in New York could such lunacy prevail, but sadly it is becoming more prevalent across the nation. Good luck to Mr. Ahmed, hopefully a jury will see the video and do the right thing.
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    "I was going to say that only in New York could such lunacy prevail, but sadly it is becoming more prevalent across the nation. Good luck to Mr. Ahmed, hopefully a jury will see the video and do the right thing."


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    The store owner, Salah Ahmed, owner of Munchies Deli in Brownsville, hit the boy, Bunkless Bovian, 15, on April 13 after seeing a security monitor in the rear of the store showing the youth and two friends up front attacking an employee
    Seems straight forward to me, Good luck Mr. Ahmed
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    Good luck Mr. Ahmed. :|

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    Hard to play basketball with a fractured skull.

    So............ Don't rob, beat, and slash merchants on the side.

    Sounds simple enough to me.

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    This is insanity.

    What compels a prosecutor who sees this evidence to even think about pressing charges against Ahmed?

    I would like to be on that grand jury and hear hear the deliberations. What is their rational? This is just like the Menendez jury. He shot his parents in cold blood with a shotgun. IIRC, his mom was still moving so he shot her point blank in the face. The jury acquitted him because he now has to live his life as an orphan.
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    As always, it's hard to know the actual facts from a mere newspaper account, given how twisted those can be, but if true as stated ...

    What compels a prosecutor who sees this evidence to even think about pressing charges against Ahmed?
    Working hard to uphold a legal system in which the central core "value" is billable hours, instead of justice. Many attorneys are so deep in it, it's clouded their minds. Lack of integrity. Lack of personal responsibility to find truth, to find justice. Prejudice and inability to judge or weigh data in an area of one's primary "expertise." Lack of honor.

    Either way, it's a good lesson, and a reminder that the "system" is not your friend. So, ensure you take all steps to help others to see you're the good guy, that the others are engaged in violence or terrorizing activities. Video, witnesses, your verbal commands, whether you're taking advantage of withdrawal (in a state that crucifies you for overt actions taken to defend). All of it can affect others' view of your actions.
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    Well what did you expect in new york . . .he was a talented basketball playa' livin' in public housing.

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    I had to read the news article three times before I posted...and I still can't figure out where the prosecutor gets his justification, is he a relative of the mayor or something?

    Mr. Conroy said the grand jury indicted the wrong person, since the youths were at fault for attacking Mr. Ahmed’s employee, Hazam Kassim, 19, kicking him, punching him and slashing him with a box cutter.
    Isn't a box cutter considered a deadly weapon in new york, geeze, we've had commercial airlines hijacked with a box cutter!!!
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    The problem is the family has portrayed the little criminal as an innocent victim ,he's such a good boy he would never rob a store,or people on the grand jury thinking that hitting a 15 year old with a hammer is extreme.I guarantee you here in Texas they would be going to his funeral and the ahmed would be given a medal
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    This store owner and the people he serves got what they VOTED for...
    This IS a sad story, but unless the public stands up and casts vote against these politicians...

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    I would like to know the ethnic and racial background of the prosecutor and grand jury. Sounds like there is more than a little anti-Islamic prejudice at work here. Sadly, that might carry over into the trial jury verdict too. "Salah Ahmed." The victim's name and national origin are the problem.

    Contrary wise, the defense attorney's name suggests he is likely Jewish.

    IRONIC.

    There is sometimes more that goes into the decisions to prosecute than we would want to know about, or like to think about.
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    I think the answer is even simpler: As a society we just don't know right from wrong anymore. We have to think about it first.
    We have a lot of individuals doing the right thing.
    But overall? You cannot count on people doing the right thing, whether it is an assistant DA or a jury. Why? Fear. Fear of standing up for what they believe in. The other problem is that they do not have a clear picture of what they DO believe in.
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    The boy, who lives in public housing near the store, is a talented basketball player at Intermediate School 323 and in youth leagues, his family has said.
    Was. It's coloring books for Christmas! Good luck to the store owner.

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    The store owner had no other way to hammer home the idea that you cannot assault people and cut them with a box cutter like a little savage. Well, you can, but not for long.
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