May 30th, 2008 08:51 AM
Tulsa Man Pleads Guilty in Road Rage Case
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Tulsa World: Former security guard pleads guilty to manslaughter
A man pleaded guilty Thursday to first-degree manslaughter in a fatal shooting that occurred in a River Parks parking lot during a reported road-rage confrontation.
A plea agreement calls for a five-year sentence for Kenneth Ray Gumm, with a background report to be prepared prior to a sentencing set for July 15 before Tulsa County District Judge William Kellough.
Kellough will have the option of putting Gumm on probation via a deferred or suspended sentence, sending him to prison, or some combination of probation and prison.
Gumm, 68, waived his right to a trial –- which had been scheduled for next week -- on a manslaughter charge linked to the death of Dale Turney of Sand Springs.
May 30th, 2008 09:16 AM
May 30th, 2008 09:20 AM
In a document filed Nov. 30, defense attorneys asserted that Gumm had the right to defend himself against a man who had threatened to kill him, and that Gumm "retreated around his car two times while pointing a gun at the assailant who got close enough to shove Gumm."
In a Dec. 14 response filing, prosecutor Thorp maintained there clearly was evidence that Gumm "was not justified, in the circumstances that existed, to use deadly force in defense of a misdemeanor assault and battery."
Had he had a less lethal sd alternative like OC available to him, he likely wouldn't be in this situation now.
A perfect example of the adage that when the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem tends to look like a nail.
May 30th, 2008 10:23 AM
Or maybe he should have stayed in his car like some suggested, and only if it escalated to the point where his car was breached then using deadly force would have been justified. Getting out of his car with pistol in hand was definately not the right choice in his case.
Any minds going to change on this one?
Just remember that shot placement is much more important with what you carry than how big a bang you get with each trigger pull.
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May 30th, 2008 10:37 AM
BAC 0.8? Meth also? I don't know. 47 year old vs. 67 year old? Witnesses? Interesting. I think the whole ordeal is a bad thing. It happened, it's past. Five years max for the "crime"? That tells me the prosecution stands on shaky ground. We can pass out judgments all day long and it won't change anything. It never should have happened in the first place. A vehicle IS a deadly weapon---it's also a way to avoid confrontations where one feels they are at (or going to be) at a disadvantage or risk. The shooter may have intentionally placed himself in a situation knowing the possibilities of end results. Likely this is why the prosecution has taken up the case and charged the defendant in the first place. Let the chips fall where they may.
May 30th, 2008 11:55 AM
Yes, very much agreed.
Originally Posted by farronwolf
And I no I doubt it.
But even as some minds toward this case may not change the lesson for us all remains valid.
This case like every other is serious food for thought.
"Killers who are not deterred by laws against murder are not going to be deterred by laws against guns. " - Robert A. Levy
"A license to carry a concealed weapon does not make you a free-lance policeman." - Florida Div. of Licensing
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