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    Armed Robbers open fire without warning

    This is absolutely nuts.

    Robbers Open Fire In Arlington Pawn Shop

    The real bad news is the likelyhood of other BG's in the area taking note of the success from this robbery tactic and adopt it for themselves.
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    It's probably inevitable as more people become armed. The BG's will just shoot first rather than chance it.

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    What kind of a pawn shop doesn't arm its employees?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Montana View Post
    What kind of a pawn shop doesn't arm its employees?
    Sounds good in theory but with so many customers there and in the line of fire, even if the employees were armed, they would be stupid to fire. As soon as the customers were to the side, different story. Since the only gunfire at that time was bravado with no injuries, best to not escalate it into an OK Corral.

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    Here's the article:
    Robbers Open Fire In Busy Arlington Pawnshop

    POSTED: 4:52 pm EDT June 17, 2008
    UPDATED: 10:23 pm EDT June 17, 2008


    JACKSONVILLE, Fla. -- Two men walked into an Arlington pawnshop on Monday morning and opened fire as store employees and customers dropped to the floor and took cover. Now, Jacksonville police have begun a search for the men they called bold bandits.

    The armed robbery took place at about 10 a.m. at the Super Cash Pawn Shop on Acme Street, where two men nonchalantly walk inside and without giving any type of warning or demands opened fire inside the store.

    Surveillance video of the incident caught the crime on tape.

    "It happened so fast," said the pawnshop manager Earnes Mertinda. "They just came in and start shooting in the air twice and let us know hey we in business."

    Witnesses said the first gunman dressed in black fired two shots into the ceiling and then casually walked up to a glass display case and fired another shot, just barely missing the pawn shop manager who was taking cover behind the counter, and grabbed the expensive Rolex watches in the display case.

    "They had no masks on -- just didn't care. He had a dead look on his face like, 'Just move out of my way,' and we were trying as you could see but there was nowhere to run," said one witness who was at the store with her 17-year-old daughter.

    The mother said her back was against the camera in the surveillance video and she was trapped between the two armed robbers when they walked in the shop.

    "Everybody just kind of dived onto the ground and I was just stuck in a space that -- my life kind of flashed in my face," said the witness.

    While the second robber is seen on the surveillance tape grabbing what he could, the mother made a clean break as the robbers were distracted by a gun that apparently became jammed during an attempt to shoot a second display case.

    What the woman said can't be heard on the video is her desperate plea to the gunmen.

    "He was aiming in her direction and that bullet would've hit her head. All I could say was, 'Father please don't shoot my child,'" she said.

    Her daughter was seen on the tape ducking behind the counter closest to the front door. The teen was able to runaway as the robbers moved on to the next display case and used the butt of a revolver to shatter the glass and grab some rings.

    "We got away from him and went to the back of the store and we broke down," said the witness.

    The shop owner said the robbers stole about $25,000-$30,000 in jewelry.

    Anyone with information about the identities of the men caught on tape robbing the Super Cash Pawn Shop is asked to contact police or remain anonymous by calling Crimestoppers at 866-845-TIPS.

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    Well, looks like the robbers have been reading up on tactics. Shooting works a lot better than shouting warnings.

    I'm just glad nobody got hurt, and with them on tape, they won't last long.

    They probably should have done a little more research and figured out that video surveillance makes for some pretty good evidence.

    As far as a CCW making a difference, I don't know. One gun jams and the other is using a revolver that he is smashing a display case with. I might take those odds.
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    As far as a CCW making a difference, I don't know. One gun jams and the other is using a revolver that he is smashing a display case with. I might take those odds.
    You are right. In a situation like this you only get one chance and this would be it. This is where awareness of who is coming and going could put the odds more in your favor. Still need to see the surveillance tape to know exactly how it went down though.
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    When they come in shooting like that you don't know if they will shoot witnesses until after the fact. By then it may be to late. Your going to have to size up the situation fast if you are considering shooting back.

    There is always the chance that if you take out one the other will flee. You are really going to have to shoot fast to try to get them both.

    This type of thing is becoming more common, so turn the "spidy" sense up a few notches.

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    Where were the legal CCW's? I thought everyone in FL carried? Maybe some of the victims will now consider CCW?
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    Quote Originally Posted by braap View Post
    This is absolutely nuts.

    Robbers Open Fire In Arlington Pawn Shop

    The real bad news is the likelyhood of other BG's in the area taking note of the success from this robbery tactic and adopt it for themselves.
    Why is this nuts? It is a very tried and true tactic employed now by SWAT and military teams on a regular basis and is a tactic used for hundreds of years. Dominance is attained through overwhelming the opposition via "speed and violence of action." In many ways, it is a safer tactic if it works fully because it precludes the intended dominees from fighting back.

    I assure you that this is not something new.

    So after two shots, the guy's gun jammed. Interesting.


    Quote Originally Posted by DrLewall View Post
    Where were the legal CCW's? I thought everyone in FL carried? Maybe some of the victims will now consider CCW?
    Right, where are all the legal CCWs? Florida has about, what, 5% CCW holders. There were 5 or 6 customers in the shop. Statistically, one was NOT likely to be a CCW person.

    Maybe some of the victims will now consider CCW? Maybe so. Maybe they will decide that guns are that much more evil as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rustynuts View Post
    It's probably inevitable as more people become armed. The BG's will just shoot first rather than chance it.
    Yup, why would they take a chance with victims fighting back? Not only that, but they do this to instill fear in the hearts of their targets.

    Check LiveLeak.com - Redefining the Media and there are many armed robbery videos showing clerks who were shot (dead sometimes) as soon as the gunmen entered the place, no questions ask, no words exchanged, they just unloaded into the clerks.

    For example, check this video out:

    Lady clerk robbed, gunman tried to blew her head of without asking for anything.
    LiveLeak.com - MISSED BY A HAIR - ARMED ROBBERY (gunman missed by a hair, literally!)

    3 gunmen charge pawn shop, all blasting... clerk fights back with his own gun and lives.
    LiveLeak.com - Clerk Fights back

    3 gang bangers shot up business owner to pieces, and stole his gun (that was NOT kept on his body), not shore if the victim survived after being treated in the hospital though, he got hit pretty bad.
    LiveLeak.com - Robbers Shoot Clerk
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivers View Post
    Sounds good in theory but with so many customers there and in the line of fire, even if the employees were armed, they would be stupid to fire. As soon as the customers were to the side, different story. Since the only gunfire at that time was bravado with no injuries, best to not escalate it into an OK Corral.
    Huh, and what should someone do if the gunmen where shooting AT the clerks?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CR2008 View Post
    Huh, and what should someone do if the gunmen where shooting AT the clerks?
    But the gunmen didn't shoot at the clerk. The gunfire was to scare the victims into submitting, not to kill them. The clerk had dropped down behind the counter and was able to wait it out. As it was, the clerk guessed (correctly) that the gunmen didn't intend to shoot anyone. And since the clerk didn't have a gun immediately available, it's not like he had much choice.

    If the clerk was armed and the customer was clear, he would have been justified in returning fire when the robbery began. Customer or not, if he was being shot AT, I don't think anyone would hesitate to shoot back to save himself. But given the choice of shooting when innocents are in the line of fire - but you aren't - would you risk missing and killing an innocent bystander? I hope not.

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