Holdup Victim Kills Gunman
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Yet another reason why the 2nd amendment PROTECTS we the people! Just hope our rights don't get taken away ...
July 22nd, 2008 04:11 PM
Holdup Victim Kills Gunman
LancasterOnline.com:News:Holdup victim kills gunman in Manheim
Yet another reason why the 2nd amendment PROTECTS we the people! Just hope our rights don't get taken away this November.
And i thought this area of PA was a safer place to be....proves that anything can happpen anywhere, anytime.....
July 22nd, 2008 04:11 PM
July 22nd, 2008 04:13 PM
but a tec-9? the kids obviously had no clue to the fact that these guns rarely work.
Let's Roll - Todd Beamer
July 22nd, 2008 04:14 PM
Chalk one up for our side. I hope they catch the other BG.
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch; Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote."
-- Benjamin Franklin
July 22nd, 2008 05:07 PM
wow, is that guy a member here? Great situational awareness. Good thing his company didn't have a policy that made him leave his gun in the car.
"Run for your life from the man who tells you that money is evil. That sentence is the leper's bell of an approaching looter. So long as men live together on earth and need means to deal with one another-their only substitute, if they abandon money, is the muzzle of a gun."
Who is John Galt?
July 22nd, 2008 05:31 PM
Holdup victim kills gunman in Manheim
2 armed robbers foiled by battery factory manager. One shot in chest; second flees.
By TOM MURSE and JOHN M. HOOBER III, Staff
Manheim officer Steve Watson marks as evidence this TEC-9 semi-automatic handgun. It was found near a ...(more)
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Two would-be robbers, apparently lying in wait before daybreak, picked on the wrong victim in Manheim early today.
One suspect, a 19-year-old Lancaster city man, was shot in the chest and died hours later at a local hospital.
The other fled on foot without any loot and is still at large.
Police did not identify any of the men.
The botched holdup occurred just after 5 this morning when two masked men dressed in black followed the operations manager of Power Pro Battery Company into his office at 210 S. Penn St., police said.
Knowing he was about to be robbed, the manager pulled out his own handgun, turned and fired twice, hitting one of the suspects in the wrist and chest just inside the front door of the building, police said.
"John, they tried to rob me," he said. "I shot somebody."
Both suspects fled east on foot, but the wounded robber collapsed about 400 yards away on West Stiegel Street, bleeding profusely from his chest.
Manheim Borough Police received word at 10:30 a.m. that the wounded robbery suspect had died. They did not release his name.
Police found a loaded TEC-9 semi-automatic handgun a weapon that is rare yet increasing in popularity among criminals nearby.
They also found baseball caps and a bandana, apparently worn by the two suspects.
Police were questioning the Power Pro Battery employee, whom they labeled a victim, this morning. They were also interviewing several other workers there.
"The victim has indicated to us that he acted in self-defense," Manheim Borough Police Chief Barry Weidman said.
"At this point it appears to be a robbery gone bad. We have no indication that it is any more than an attempted robbery."
Police marked off numerous pieces of evidence along the street early this morning. The southern end of Manheim is home to several businesses and several homes, as well as an elementary school, H.C. Burgard.
Bill Butler, 41, a resident of the 200 block of West Stiegel Street near the battery firm, said he was getting ready for work when he heard two gunshots. He looked out his guest-room window and saw two darkly dressed men running.
"I saw these two guys running about 20 feet apart," said Butler. "They were both dressed in black. One guy was behind the other, and he was going slower, and he was saying, 'Help me, he shot me.'"
Butler dialed 911.
Medical crews were dispatched to West Stiegel and Cherry streets at 5:25 a.m. Butler, a former Army medic who worked on an ambulance crew in West Virginia for 12 years, walked outside to help the wounded man.
"He had a sucking chest wound," said Butler.
Butler rode along with the Manheim Ambulance crew to Lancaster General Hospital. He said he held the wounded man's gloves over his wounds.
"He was conscious but fading. He said, 'I can't breathe,' and at one point he asked for his mother," said Butler. "It's something I've never seen before around here. I felt like I was back in the ambulance service."
Butler said the second robber fled north, through a brushy area between a building and parked trailers along the north side of West Stiegel Street.
Police launched a canine search but had not found the second suspect as of late this morning.
Roads said his worker, who was being questioned by borough police, had a license to carry the weapon. Police confirmed that.
Roads said the suspects were likely looking for cash and lying in wait for the operations manager to show up for work.
The company employs 14 people, including a team of drivers who carry cash to local junkyards to buy batteries. The firm reconditions the batteries for resale. Roads said employees for the firm have been robbed at least five times in its 10 years of existence.
The operations manager arrived for work shortly after 5 a.m. and parked his navy blue Chevrolet Avalanche along West Stiegel Street about 50 yards from Power Pro Battery.
Roads said the worker, sensing he was about to be robbed, intentionally left the business security system on so that it would trigger an alarm when the robbers entered. It did, and police were dispatched.
Roads added that there are surveillance cameras inside and outside the business, and that authorities are reviewing tapes.
"That I cannot do."
"Give this to, uh, Clemenza. I want reliable people, people who aren't going to be carried away. After all we're not murderers in spite of what this undertaker thinks."
Certified Glock Armorer
NRA Life Member
July 22nd, 2008 05:43 PM
Wow good job the BG's thought they were gonna pull off an easy heist and got some lead for their trouble,sucking chest wound means he got him in the lung
"Outside of the killings, Washington has one of the lowest crime rates in the country,"
--Mayor Marion Barry, Washington , DC .
July 22nd, 2008 11:34 PM
People are selling them cheap because they cannot be made to work?
Originally Posted by retsupt99
July 23rd, 2008 09:37 AM
hmm...the one I used to play with never had any problems. The .22 version of it on the other hand was plagued with FTF's and FTE's no matter what brand ammo.
Originally Posted by 762
"My God David, We're a Civilized society."
"Sure, As long as the machines are workin' and you can call 911. But you take those things away, you throw people in the dark, and you scare the **** out of them; no more rules...You'll see how primitive they can get."
-The Mist (2007)
July 23rd, 2008 09:49 AM
"Robbery gone bad" my !@#$%.
Robbery gone good, more like it.
"...bad decisions that turn out well often make heroes."
Gary D. Mitchell, A Sniper's Journey: The Truth About the Man and the Rifle, P. 103, NAL Caliber books, 2006, 1st Ed.
July 23rd, 2008 10:12 AM
Originally Posted by randytulsa2
I couldn't agree more! Or how about:
BG's lose another one!
One man with a gun can control 100 without one.
July 23rd, 2008 12:42 PM
Bravo Zulu on the employee's situational awareness!
"Just getting a concealed carry permit means you haven't commited a crime yet. CCP holders commit crimes." Daniel Vice, senior attorney for the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, quoted on Fox & Friends, 8 Jul, 2008
(Sometimes) "a fight avioded is a fight won." ... claude clay
July 23rd, 2008 01:06 PM
Nothing like saving the tax payer some money.....
Blessed be the Lord my strength, which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight.
Senior Instructor for Tactical and Defensive of Texas
July 23rd, 2008 09:42 PM
the righteous shooter must practice his el presidente drill a lot to hit the BGs first with their weapons already drawn; that is some pretty good shooting, yut!
"embrace the suck" - our warriors in the sandbox... it implies that do the best you can in impossible conditions.
"no plan survives intact upon contact with the enemy" - wisdom of the Grunts.
July 24th, 2008 09:58 AM
The DA ruled this morning that it was a justifiable homicide. A guy a I work with has a father who lives a block away from this place. Nice section of town. Just goes to show you it can happen anywhere.
July 24th, 2008 10:58 AM
The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing..... Albert Einstein
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