Real Life Pirates Kill Tourist On His Own Boat!

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    US tourist hacked to death in Guatemala
    By JUAN CARLOS LLORCA, Associated Press Writer AP - Monday, August 11

    GUATEMALA CITY - Robbers armed with machetes hacked a U.S. tourist to death and seriously wounded his wife in an attack aboard the couple's sailboat in northeastern Guatemala, the woman told The Associated Press on Sunday.

    In a telephone interview from her hospital bed, Nancy Dryden, 67, said her husband, Daniel Perry Dryden, 66, was killed by four men who boarded their boat late Saturday while it was anchored in Lake Izabal.

    "They poked us and stabbed us with the machetes, and they were asking for money, specifically dollars," said Dryden, who was listed in stable condition at a hospital in the lakeside town of Morales.

    The thieves were apparently unhappy with the take. "We had a few quetzales (Guatemala's currency), but we had no dollars with us on the boat," Dryden recounted.

    The Drydens, who are retired and live near Anchorage, Alaska, had bought the boat in February. They were equipping the vessel in preparation for a voyage into the Caribbean and eventually to the eastern coast of the United States.

    Dryden said the four assailants may have reached the boat by swimming from shore and brandished long machetes that "seemed liked curved swords."

    After assaulting the couple, the men demanded she hand over the keys to the vessel, which has an auxiliary motor. When she didn't _ she was unable to tell whether they wanted the keys to the boat, or a small dinghy the couple used to get to shore _ the men left, also apparently by swimming.

    Dryden struggled over to the boat's radio and sent out a distress call. "I said we need help ... I said my husband was not moving," Dryden recalled.

    She said she expects her children to arrive in Guatemala Monday and plans to be transferred to the United States for medical care.

    Assistant Police Commissioner Luis Say said the attack is being investigated.

    Located near Guatemala's Caribbean coast, Lake Izabal is popular among tourists for its jungle scenery and wildlife.
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    What are the laws about having a gun onboard a vessel while sailing internationally. I have gotten to the point where I refuse to even go back to my country of birth before getting a CWL for a gun there. Too many returning residents and tourists become victims to thieves. I feel sorry for this couple.
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    Wink Piracy is still a very real threat....

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    Piracy isn't just the stuff of movies and Johnny Depp, it's been a real threat off the coast of our country and overseas for hundreds of years. When I was a youngun' fresh off active duty and single that meaning footloose and fancy free, I was often hired as a "hand" on friend's yachts to cruise the caribbean sea. I learned to sail before I could walk, growing up here in Miami so I'm a real life sailing man too, but my primary duties were security ashore and afloat. I had to be very careful in what I chose to store aboard any vessel since gun control laws in the Bahamas have always been strict, but I found I could do very well with four specific weapons that did little to raise eyebrows of officials:

    1. Colt 45 1911A1 with 10 spare & loaded mags of FMJ ammo + 2 boxes reserve.

    2. Mossberg Maritime pump 12 with extended tube (9rds) and a half case of 00 Buckshot

    3. Garand M1 Rifle .30-06 with 10 loaded clips in a bandolier (3 of these were loaded with AP, API and APIT ammo)

    4. Holland & Holland .375 with solid core 500gr elephant ammo. Maybe 100rds of this to last a lifetime. This is my ummmmm "engine room gun" Just aim for the engine room and about two inches below the waterline after you put enough into the motor itself to stop operations. Besides worrying about movement they also have to worry about sinking. Tends to remove their motivation to press an attack.

    I would also carry a number of good old fashioned parachute flares to light up an area of total darkness if I suspect movement in the water, like swimmers or a low lying surface craft used to sneak over from any nearby islands used for anchoring shelters.

    If I were going to play that role again, now, I'd request the skipper purchase some good night vision or thermal gear as well, which is now much more affordable. I'd probably also rig an alarm set to the lifelines and halyards of a sailboat (my friends are all sailors, not many folks have the mega yachts around here), so as to let me get some sleep yet still give me prior warning of hostiles on board.
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    I've heard that pump shotguns don't get knickers in a twist, and I'd guess the H&H .375 wouldn't, but I'm surprised the .45 and the Garand did not. Then again, Canada is just a few miles away.

    How would you put an alarm on the lifelines? I'm having trouble seeing how it can be done. Why the halyards?

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    Sounds like they should have been flying the Jolly Roger.
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    There's something about coming on board a boat that excedes home invasion in the scariness department (in my mind). People break into houses, or sometimes walk into the wrong house, or sometimes the knock is a neighbor asking for sugar or the Girl Scouts asking for money... but if someone comes on your boat... you immediately know that intentions are bad. Just thinking about that gives me the heebeejeebies. Close quarters, nowhere to run, nobody even close to come for help, no 911...
    They should sell boats with an M4 or shotgun strapped in with the fire extinguisher.

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    It’s been more than twenty years but when I went to the Bahamas in a travel via boat brochure it stated that no guns were allowed there. But you could have any weapons you wanted on board as long as they didn’t leave the vessel. I am thinking that it was put out by the US Coast Guard, could be wrong on the source.

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    Wink I've done my homework on this one....

    Quote Originally Posted by Phillep Harding View Post
    I've heard that pump shotguns don't get knickers in a twist, and I'd guess the H&H .375 wouldn't, but I'm surprised the .45 and the Garand did not. Then again, Canada is just a few miles away.

    How would you put an alarm on the lifelines? I'm having trouble seeing how it can be done. Why the halyards?
    Remember, this was the 1980s. The Garand, I think was seen as some sort of WWII relic. I called it a "shark rifle" and that seemed to placate the authorities. You should know that any time we pulled up to an actual DOCK, the local authorities would put your weapons into a safe that were returned when you left. I dunno why they didn't object to the 1911.

    As for the alarm, my friend and I went 'round and 'round on this one. He wanted to find something retail and installed and I argued we could save some money with his ingenuity and handy-man skills.

    In the end it was a semi compromise: He rigged up a loose cable running the lifeline so that when tension was placed on the line, the cable would tighten to a contact hooked to the vessels electric horn (used to signal a bridge to open).

    The Halyards were a similar rig but tighter as I reasoned that in a short chop or rough anchorage as somebody made their way across a pitching deck they'd make a reasonable handhold to keep one on his feet.

    The really scary thing about this sort of action is the height of the gunwales. Very low on a sailboat usually with a reverse angled stern or even worse in the more modern vessels, a built in diving platform that virtually screams: "Come aboard to rob, rape, pillage and plunder!" Also, do you know how tough it would be to create a "safe room" aboard a sailboat factoring in weight distribution and center of gravity? Most decks won't stop a 22 short. A sailboat is also much easier to board while underway as it's hull is a displacement type that slices thru the water and creates that nice smooth ride.

    POWER boats OTOH are a much more difficult target with taller gunwales and tending to pitch more underway because they rely on raw power to make headway at speed, it is possible to rig a safe room using kevlar fabric along the bulkheads. Also power boaters are more likely to be ARMED (type "A" personalities) whereas sailors are like seagoing hippies. Very laid back and trusting. For some reason they have reasons for feeling secure. Power boats are more often the victims, possibly because they are more likely to be loaded with electronics and other gear that can be sold for enormous profit in the Islands.

    You'll never believe who stand as the biggest pirate operation in the Caribbean Sea. Ready? The Haitian and Cuban Navies. They're profiteers working on their own allegedly without "official" government knowledge. Face it, the cost of any such privately owned vessel is many hundreds of times the salaries of these "public servants." They raid a vessel for suspected drug smuggling and then kill the owner crew (rape the women of course) and strip the vessel of its gear before giving her the deep six too.

    I don't know how many times this has happened for certain because successful attacks are obviously never reported, but the rumors are intense for a reason. ALSO IIRC back in the early 1980s there was such an attempt but as luck would have it, there was a US naval warship right nearby.... and they persuaded the Haitian navy to stand off as they conducted the "inspection" and then escorted the boat out of those waters. That actually made the local papers.
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    What are the laws about having a gun onboard a vessel while sailing internationally
    Every country has different laws . Some like the Bahamas will let you keep guns on board under lock and key. You have to declare them and the amount of ammo on the customs form . Others like The Turks and Cacois and the Dominican Republic will take your guns and keep them until you leave. If you’re caught with an illegal gun in a Caribbean or Latin American country you’re in big trouble. I don’t know what the law is in Guatemala.
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    We do quite a bit of offshore trips- a yearly one in which we are approx. 100 miles out in the Gulf for several days. The closest land-mass for a lot of this is actually Cuba. I NEVER go offshore unarmed. I don't know what the charter captain is carrying (though knowing most captains, the boat is armed and the crew aware of it). I've never had a captain ask if I am armed and I have never volunteered that information. I'm pretty sure most of my friends on these expeditions are quietly armed as well.

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    Sad to say it's not surprising. My father's a former Coastie(was stationed on WHEC-721) so I've heard a lot of those kind of stories. They dealt with a lot of pirate vessels (granted this was late '70s). People hear "pirate" and they think disney/tv or pirate as in "arg". The real pirates are far from the glorified TV representations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by packinnova View Post
    Sad to say it's not surprising. My father's a former Coastie(was stationed on WHEC-721) so I've heard a lot of those kind of stories. They dealt with a lot of pirate vessels (granted this was late '70s). People hear "pirate" and they think disney/tv or pirate as in "arg". The real pirates are far from the glorified TV representations.
    You're right because that's what is was thing about reading this story.
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    I think a good Remington 870 marine model 12 gauge loaded with Hornady TAP FD 00 buck shot would dissuade any pirates from boarding a vessel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crzy4guns View Post
    I think a good Remington 870 marine model 12 gauge loaded with Hornady TAP FD 00 buck shot would dissuade any pirates from boarding a vessel.
    Just one? You may be surprised. Most of the pirates don't just come on as one or two individuals.... Like Ex said... Cuban and Haitian navy personnel. Often times it may be six or more trying to board your vessel, and they aren't without their own arms either.
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