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Could be good shoot, could be bad. These days it's hard to tell if someone in plainclothes getting out of a VAN yelling "Police" is really LEO or not. Most people might hesitate an instant, and maybe even swing a drawn gun towards them. Bad situation all around. Possibly lots of "at faults" here. If the situation is under control it's probably best to holster your weapon if possible while awaiting the police.
The bouncer appears to be a potential ex-felon (was police informant, so maybe charges dropped?). Probably not authorized to even hold the gun?
Officer Kills Armed Club Bouncer In Ybor City
An Ybor City nightclub bouncer was shot and killed by a police officer during a fracas that spilled outside the bar early Saturday, police said.
"Roobik Vartanian, 35, was shot once in the stomach in a grassy area near the railroad tracks at 1609 E. Sixth Ave. - just behind Club Prana where he worked and in front of his home at 1611 E. Sixth Ave., where friends said Vartanian recently moved.
Vartanian was taken to Tampa General Hospital, where he died, police said.
The shooting occurred about 1:20 a.m. as Vartanian and several other Club Prana employees were ejecting two Orlando men from the popular bar on Ybor City's Seventh Avenue strip, Tampa police spokeswoman Laura McElroy said.
The employees followed the black men outside, yelling racial slurs and threatening to kill them. The club security manager then sent one employee back to the bar to get a gun, McElroy said. When he returned, Vartanian grabbed the weapon, she said.
Officer Rick Harrell and another plainclothes officer came upon the scene as they were patrolling Sixth Avenue South in an unmarked police van, McElroy said.
The officers got out the van and saw Vartanian was armed. Harrell called out, "Police," and ordered him to drop the weapon, McElroy said. But Vartanian turned and pointed the gun at Harrell, who fired one shot, she said."
Oh, this was not good...
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No flashing lights?
There is not enough info to really understand what happened here...I'm sure will all be figured out.
It's too bad that a 'working man' had to die thinking he was saving his own life...
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There's LOTS of incidents where people impersonate LEO. When's the last time you saw and LEO unmarked VAN cruising around? Until you see their shield close up (and even then) how do you know it's LEO and not the Orlando idiot's friends? Just saying plainclothes LEO need to show more discretion when rolling up on such a scene. Could have been a homeowner holding a BG at gunpoint. Your natural tendency is to immediately look at someone shouting at you, even before you realize what they are saying. If you have a gun in hand, can end bad just like this. I still say both parties are partially at fault, although I'm sure it will be ruled "good". I just hope the cop wasn't trigger happy. They could have shouted behind cover until the bouncer realized who it was and dropped the gun.
Between this, and late-night, no-knock search warrant executions, it's impossible to know who the good-guys are. Bad guys can, and do, impersonate good guys. If you don't know the difference (and you can't) it's gonna cost you.
This alone is damning. The security manager, presumably Vartanian, acted irrationally and dangerously. The job is to secure the club, not assault patron that are already outside. Threatening that he would kill them and they getting a gun is criminal behavior. Period.The employees followed the black men outside, yelling racial slurs and threatening to kill them. The club security manager then sent one employee back to the bar to get a gun, McElroy said. When he returned, Vartanian grabbed the weapon, she said.
It is sad that his stupidity and hotheadedness got him killed.