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    Violent Crime up 22% as Home Office Admits Underreporting

    Public trust in crime statistics has been dealt a devastating blow after ministers admitted the figures have been downplaying serious violence for up to a decade.

    The Home Office admitted that as many as one in five of the worst attacks have been wrongly classified in published figures. As many as 4,000 serious assaults each year were mistakenly recorded as minor incidents — and officials conceded they “simply do not know how far back it goes.”

    The tightening of the rules has seen figures for serious violent crimes rocket by 22 percent compared to last year — and confusion over the figures makes it impossible to say how much of the rise is genuine.


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    "Public trust is dead", can't feel any "devastating blow". It's so hard to believe that figures have been manipulated in America to support an agenda. I'm shocked.
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    "Mistakenly recorded..."

    Yeah, right...
    This doesn't just happen over there...
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    Two nights ago a guy I know via XBox Live got into a discussion (very much civil) in regard to firearms and gun control.
    He stated that countries with gun control like England (he specifically noted England) have low gun crime.
    I replied that as that may be true, crime figures toward criminal victimization and specifically violent crime has more than tripled since they banned firearms to levels far greater than what they were prior to firearms bans. Same applies to Australia as well.
    he was completely unbelieving of my statements albeit respectful in manner and tone. I can't wait to talk with him again and to forward him this article URL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CEW58 View Post
    Violent Crime up 22% as Home Office Admits Underreporting

    Public trust in crime statistics has been dealt a devastating blow after ministers admitted the figures have been downplaying serious violence for up to a decade.

    The Home Office admitted that as many as one in five of the worst attacks have been wrongly classified in published figures. As many as 4,000 serious assaults each year were mistakenly recorded as minor incidents — and officials conceded they “simply do not know how far back it goes.”

    The tightening of the rules has seen figures for serious violent crimes rocket by 22 percent compared to last year — and confusion over the figures makes it impossible to say how much of the rise is genuine.

    And I thought Britain was such a "civilized" country after giving up their guns....
    Mistakenly my butt! The results were purposely reported the way they were to make the politician look good and make the bleeding hearts feel all warm and fuzzy.
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    The sad fact is that England is awash with illegal firearms from the eastern european countries that are now allowed into the UK completley unchecked as their country is now part of the EU.
    Its also widely believed that black on black gun crime is not reported, I think they call it a D notice (D as in DO not publish)

    There you go! Some of the delights awaiting the US if nogun gets in !!!!!!!

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    I read a story awhile back about a group in the UK that is working to get things returned to the way they were.

    There have also been so many knife attacks that the wacko's are now trying to get a knife ban.

    All ban weapons laws only serve to empower the criminal and emasulate the law abiding.
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    The knife ban passed last year.

    And schools in select areas have banned pocket pencil sharpners too becvause kids were breaking them to get at the razor blade inside and attack slashing each other...in between 'hammering' each other with hardware store purchased hammers on playgrounds. I kid you not.
    Late last year and early this year there was a second movement to ban culinary knives as well with exception for being within ones home for cooking use only but that did not make it far, yet.

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    And these...

    BBC NEWS | UK | Education | Teachers' union wants stab-vests
    Page last updated at 15:08 GMT, Friday, 25 May 2007 16:08 UK
    "School staff will need body armour when new powers to search pupils for weapons come into force, a teaching union says."

    Knife crime: Anti-stab protection vests given to key staff | UK news | The Observer
    · Hospital workers get body armour
    · New moves to tackle knife crime
    Sunday July 6 2008
    "The growing fear of knife crime in Britain is forcing hospital trusts and local authorities to supply body armour to frontline workers, including A&E staff, hospital porters, teachers, benefits officers and traffic wardens.

    Stab and bullet-proof vests are being ordered in their tens of thousands to protect employees from increased levels of aggression, a move described as 'a shameful indictment of violence in Britain today'. "

    BBC NEWS | England | London | School uniforms made slash-proof
    Last Updated: Tuesday, 14 August 2007, 16:28 GMT 17:28 UK
    "Parents concerned about knife crime are getting "slash-proof" school uniforms for their children.

    A company is offering to modify blazers and jumpers by lining them with knife-resistant Kevlar. "

    Parents stab-proof their children - WalesOnline
    Feb 1 2008 by Robin Turner, Western Mail
    "WELSH parents are among those buying stab-proof clothing to protect their children against knife crime and bullying, the Western Mail has learned.

    According to manufacturers, parents mainly from the Swansea and Newport areas are among the hundreds buying hoodies, jackets and tops lined with a stab-proof material.

    The fabric, called Kevlar, is used by the police and military to make bulletproof and stab-proof clothes and is said to be five times stronger than steel.

    But retailer BladeRunner says parents now believe it could protect their children against the effects of violent crime.

    Welsh children are already known to take knives and guns into schools. In a survey published by G4S Security Services last October, 15% of children said they had seen another pupil carrying an offensive weapon on school premises.

    In addition, more than 10% of pupils in Wales aged seven to 16 said they had witnessed someone their own age attacked with an offensive weapon – one of the highest rates in the UK and second only to London and South-West England."

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    Folks commonly remark about America being a bastion of violence and wanton disregard for human life.
    Fact is we are not even in the top 10 for as much as based on _per capita_. of course we have huge total numbers of as much considering we're a huge country with a land mass larger than most any other nation. But comparing apples to apples per capita England amongst others are much more violent as a people as based on criminal victimization figures than we are...even as we have our 'guns'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Janq View Post
    And these...

    BBC NEWS | UK | Education | Teachers' union wants stab-vests
    Page last updated at 15:08 GMT, Friday, 25 May 2007 16:08 UK
    "School staff will need body armour when new powers to search pupils for weapons come into force, a teaching union says."

    Knife crime: Anti-stab protection vests given to key staff | UK news | The Observer
    · Hospital workers get body armour
    · New moves to tackle knife crime
    Sunday July 6 2008
    "The growing fear of knife crime in Britain is forcing hospital trusts and local authorities to supply body armour to frontline workers, including A&E staff, hospital porters, teachers, benefits officers and traffic wardens.

    Stab and bullet-proof vests are being ordered in their tens of thousands to protect employees from increased levels of aggression, a move described as 'a shameful indictment of violence in Britain today'. "

    BBC NEWS | England | London | School uniforms made slash-proof
    Last Updated: Tuesday, 14 August 2007, 16:28 GMT 17:28 UK
    "Parents concerned about knife crime are getting "slash-proof" school uniforms for their children.

    A company is offering to modify blazers and jumpers by lining them with knife-resistant Kevlar. "

    Parents stab-proof their children - WalesOnline
    Feb 1 2008 by Robin Turner, Western Mail
    "WELSH parents are among those buying stab-proof clothing to protect their children against knife crime and bullying, the Western Mail has learned.

    According to manufacturers, parents mainly from the Swansea and Newport areas are among the hundreds buying hoodies, jackets and tops lined with a stab-proof material.

    The fabric, called Kevlar, is used by the police and military to make bulletproof and stab-proof clothes and is said to be five times stronger than steel.

    But retailer BladeRunner says parents now believe it could protect their children against the effects of violent crime.

    Welsh children are already known to take knives and guns into schools. In a survey published by G4S Security Services last October, 15% of children said they had seen another pupil carrying an offensive weapon on school premises.

    In addition, more than 10% of pupils in Wales aged seven to 16 said they had witnessed someone their own age attacked with an offensive weapon – one of the highest rates in the UK and second only to London and South-West England."

    ---

    Folks commonly remark about America being a bastion of violence and wanton disregard for human life.
    Fact is we are not even in the top 10 for as much as based on _per capita_. of course we have huge total numbers of as much considering we're a huge country with a land mass larger than most any other nation. But comparing apples to apples per capita England amongst others are much more violent as a people as based on criminal victimization figures than we are...even as we have our 'guns'.

    - Janq
    Yet there are those who think making the law abiding citizens give up their "evil guns" is some sort of magic bullet that will make crime go away. Facts don't bother them. Logic doesn't phase them. They simply "know" it will work despite all the facts and evidence to the contrary.
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    Well there are brits coming to the US for the safety of their kids, I guess the koolaid effect is not as strong as the overlords would like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CEW58 View Post
    Yet there are those who think making the law abiding citizens give up their "evil guns" is some sort of magic bullet that will make crime go away. Facts don't bother them. Logic doesn't phase them. They simply "know" it will work despite all the facts and evidence to the contrary.

    You can't fix stupid OR change a liberal's mind once it's 'made up'.

    'Made up'.....as in what's done to the facts once it's realizied thier bans didn't work out like they said they would.
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