Sounds like he was defending his property.
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Homecoming incident leads to charges for Willmar man | West Central Tribune | Willmar, Minnesota
Homecoming incident leads to charges for Willmar man
By Gretchen Schlosser, West Central Tribune
Published Thursday, December 11, 2008
WILLMAR — A 50-year-old rural Willmar man pleaded not guilty Wednesday to misdemeanor charges stemming from a homecoming week incident that allegedly included spraying toilet-papering teens with a squirt gun filled with fox urine.
Scott Edward Wagar faces charges of fifth-degree assault, theft and disorderly conduct in Kandiyohi County District Court for the Sept. 16 incident. He was released on his personal recognizance and ordered to have no contact with others involved in the case. His next court date is Jan. 20.
According to a complaint, Wagar reported to the county sheriff on Sept. 17 he had been in an altercation with another person near his property east of Willmar, and that he possibly had broken the person’s finger.
He allegedly said he was fed up with his house being toilet-papered and had taken matters into his own hands. He was out along his property line the night before, between 10:30 and 11 p.m., and observed 15 to 20 people running toward his place through a soybean field. His observation was made through night vision goggles he had received from his son who served in the military. He said he told the group to leave, swore at them and sprayed them with a “supersoaker” squirt gun filled with fox urine.
While this was happening, he said, someone grabbed him from behind and they struggled with each other.
Later, a Sheriff’s Office detective received a tip from a 16-year-old teenager who was in the group of people who had walked toward Wagar’s property by following a drainage ditch and walking through the field. The teen said he was sprayed by the squirt gun and thought the liquid was human urine. The teen said he grabbed the squirt gun, and Wagar grabbed him and they struggled until another person started choking him and someone threatened to break his finger. He was able to free himself and run away.
During an interview with the detective, Wagar allegedly said he found a cell phone in the field, found out the phone number and called the father of the person who owned it. The man asked for the phone back and Wagar told him he could have it for $100. The man declined to pay the price and Wagar later turned the phone over to the detective.
The detective also interviewed the man, who said he had his son apologize to Wagar, but that the apology ended after Wagar yelled and screamed at the boy.
Sounds like he was defending his property.
Agreed. Defense of property and his use of chemical weapons is sage if not offbeat.
I understand that fox urine smells awful but is a good way to mask human scent when hunting.
By any means necessary, and available.
In my list of personal weapons I'm sure that I don't have a single one loaded with fox urine. Don't tell any toilet-papering teens.
Gain a 2A vote, take a fence-sitter shooting.
I wonder if the night vision goggles were surplus or were stolen by his son from the military.
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Some of this petty stuff is difficult to deal with. Police have better things to do then chase down trespassing teenagers, but they still cause damage. Now, if the homeowner responds in any way, they often become the bad guy. The fox urine is pretty clever, but the yelling and scuffle are to be avoided.
What I have seen in the article does not warrant pressing charges against our homeowner. Any teenager that they can find who smells like a fox ought to be arrested, fingerprinted, and released to their parents...
Homecoming in my school involved a senior prank with a couple bottles of fox urine. got us a day off until they cleaned the carpets and it still stunk for about a month.
As for the homeowner great employment of non leathal means to get rid of a bunch of idiot teens. In my opion the teens are lucky.
Could have been rock salt like back in my day.As for the homeowner great employment of non leathal means to get rid of a bunch of idiot teens. In my opion the teens are lucky.
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Sugar water with vinegar works better. It is not a bodily fluid so assault charges are unlikely. It is also stinky and very sticky. Enough to force the hoodlums home for a shower and either puts a dampener on the rest of the night, or ends the nights shenanigans altogether.
Putting it all into perspective for sure you don't want to be terminating any teenagers that are being mischievous with toilet paper.
Death is a bit too permanent of a punishment for kids being kids.
Kids do stupid things sometimes. They were trespassing on his property and for sure they were not up to anything good.
I think probably hitting one or two of them with a quick shot of OC Spray would have made a much more lasting impression and sent them all high tailing out of there quicker. That certainly would have been justified.
Not saying it will happen, but charges should be dropped against the gentleman. He used non lethal means to stop a group from committing vandalism, and I saw nothing that says he stole any property. He recovered a cellphone that was dropped and ultimately turned it over to police.
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Good judgement in the use of non-lethal means. There are those out there whose judgement is less than sound and who threaten the gun owning public with their bad example. It is his property and there is some reason he is repeatedly targeted, so action is required.
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Only the little punks should be charged with anything.
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I'm wondering how he got the fox to piss into the supersoaker!!
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