BAD: Be Careful Who You Let In The House - St. Paul, MN

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    BAD: Be Careful Who You Let In The House - St. Paul, MN

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    A man persuaded a St. Paul homeowner to let him inside, saying his car had broken down and he was cold, then held the resident at gunpoint and demanded drugs, police said.

    The homeowner told the intruder there were no drugs in the home, forced him outside and locked the door, according to a police spokesman and a report. The man and other people in the home near Battle Creek Regional Park were uninjured.

    The man explained to police he had never seen the would-be robber before, and police found no drugs in the home, said Peter Panos, police spokesman.

    The incident happened about 1 a.m. Saturday in the first block of Nelson Street. A man knocked at the door and told the homeowner his car had broken down, he was cold and needed a phone to call his girlfriend to pick him up, a police report said.

    "The homeowner reluctantly let him in the entryway," the report said. "He told him to stay at the door. The homeowner said he'd give him a ride."

    When the homeowner went to get his keys, the man pulled out a gun and grabbed him. The intruder demanded the homeowner give him "the dope," the report said.

    "The homeowner pled with him that there was no dope in the house, just elderly people," the report said.

    The homeowner's girlfriend was there and hid under a table, Panos said. His mother was sleeping, he said.

    Holding the homeowner at gunpoint, the intruder took him around the house. When he "was satisfied there was no dope in the house, he escorted the
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    homeowner back to the basement door," the report said.

    A second man was waiting outside in the doorway. He had an unknown object in his hand and "a red laser light was pointed into the house," the report said.

    The men talked and agreed to "get outta here," the report said. The homeowner pushed the first man out and locked the door, Panos said.

    The two went to a vehicle parked four houses away and left. A description of the car wasn't available, nor was a detailed description of the men, Panos said.

    No arrests have been made.
    I imagine that this homeowner will be a lot more wary about who he lets in the house from now on.

    Also, what gives the PD the right to search the house for drugs based on what the scumbags were demanding from the homeowner?

    Going to the door at 1 in the morning unarmed is not a smart idea.
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    Nobody unknown comes welcome to my door after dark. They will talk through the door and it will not open to reveal the armed homeowner inside.
    But if you are authorized to carry a weapon, and you walk outside without it, just take a deep breath, and say this to yourself...
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigiceman View Post
    Nobody unknown comes welcome to my door after dark. They will talk through the door and it will not open to reveal the armed homeowner inside.
    +1...if you let them in, you're just asking for trouble.
    The first time you aren't armed and prepared may be the last time you wished you were.

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    I would imagine the police asked for permission and he granted it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Der Alte View Post
    I would imagine the police asked for permission and he granted it.
    If I were in this homeowner's position, I would not have granted the PD permission to search my home without a search warrant. They would have been allowed access to that part of the home necessary to complete their report, and nowhere else.

    Too many people in this country are far too willing to give up their constitutionally guaranteed rights as easily as this. If you don't stand up for your rights, they will cease to be rights and will become privileges. Privileges can be revoked rather easily, whereas rights can not.
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    I am always amazed that people open their doors in the middle of the night not knowing who is on the other side.
    What's wrong with them ???
    Everyday, in the news you read about home invasions ...

    Failure to engage brain ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jfl View Post
    I am always amazed that people open their doors in the middle of the night not knowing who is on the other side.
    What's wrong with them ???
    Everyday, in the news you read about home invasions ...

    Failure to engage brain ?
    Culture.

    Hard to change.

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    Unless I'm expecting someone, I don't even answer the door during the day, I sure as heck am not going to answer it at night!
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    I answer my door armed if I don't know who is knocking. I live in the country and have had many people over the years with car trouble come knocking. I do not let them in the house nor do I open the door all the way to talk. If they try to burst in I will in return have a few bursts for them. Not helping someone in need out here is not an option I can live with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jfl View Post
    I am always amazed that people open their doors in the middle of the night not knowing who is on the other side.
    What's wrong with them ???
    Everyday, in the news you read about home invasions ...

    Failure to engage brain ?
    The same naivety that lets people think that it "will never happen to them" and ask questions like "why do you need to carry pepper spray?" or "why do you need guns?"

    Luckily this guy didn't have to get hurt (physically) to have his thinking changed. I hope he is a lot more careful and prepared from now on.

    Besides, almost everyone, even the lowest income person, has a cell phone nowadays. That phone trick doesn't work so easily anymore... or at least, it shouldn't have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jfl View Post
    I am always amazed that people open their doors in the middle of the night not knowing who is on the other side.
    What's wrong with them ???
    Everyday, in the news you read about home invasions ...

    Failure to engage brain ?
    that's true,i cant imagine doing that.
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