Seminole teacher could lose job over loaded gun found at school
This is a discussion on Seminole teacher could lose job over loaded gun found at school within the In the News: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly forums, part of the The Back Porch category; Originally Posted by archer51
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January 14th, 2009 06:55 PM
I know - absolutely know - where my firearms are at all times.
Originally Posted by archer51
She was negligent, pure and simple. I have no problem with the school district firing her for her stupidity.
If your job had a "no firearms" policy and you "accidentally" brought your gun to work and were caught, would it be unfair for them to fire you?
Of course not.
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January 14th, 2009 07:26 PM
My problem with them firing her is they already set a precedence by giving another teacher a 10 day suspension for the same offense.
If the rule says you fire someone for bringing a gun to school, you fire anyone who brings one to school. Are they going to go back to the first guy and say "We screwed up by only giving you a 10 day suspension. Pack the things in your desk, your fired now".
Matthew Haynes, McGhee's attorney, said Vogel's recommendation to terminate her is unfair because he did not fire another teacher who brought a gun to school about the same time. Jon Diesbourg, a second-grade teacher at Forest City Elementary, was suspended for 10 days after a BB gun was found on the roof of his station wagon.
Did she screw up? Yes. Should she be disciplined? Yes. Since no one was injured in either case the same level of discipline should be handed out.
January 14th, 2009 07:39 PM
Yes, they set a precedent - but c'mon a BB gun and a .45 are hardly comparable.
Dude - the right to carry comes with the responsibility to care for it. I agree, firing is probably the best thing. Or at least allowing her to resign, so she can attempt to get a teaching job somewhere else. Early retirement? IDK
All I know is, she "dropped" her gun and keys - and didn't notice!!! Yikes. Good thing a little kid didn't find it, and started to play cops and robbers!!
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January 14th, 2009 07:49 PM
True, a BB gun and .45 are not the same, but neither is a Cooper and a Humvee. But your going to get the same sentence for stealing a Cooper as you will for stealing a Humvee.
Originally Posted by ChiWeiSz
January 14th, 2009 07:50 PM
hehe Seminole County. Gotta love it. They'll fire a good teacher for a mistake but let folks live in treehouses. Sanford, a few miles west of Geneva.
You dont have to love it, but you should.
No Im not backing the teacher....Im not backing Seminole county either.
January 14th, 2009 09:12 PM
If you make one rule without stipulations of severity, you have set a bad precedence for anything else, there must always be ladders/steps of severity for almost anything or were all in trouble. A BB gun is no where near as potent as a 357 and to compare the two as far as they set a precedences with this other teacher is just not right in my view. Should she be fired, I don't think so personally, disciplinary action yes, allow to resign as mentioned possibly, but not fired.
Originally Posted by archer51
Just my view on it.
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January 14th, 2009 09:23 PM
More ammo for the anti's. I can hear them now. "If guns were outlawed she wouldn't have had one to forget where she placed it and put thousands of people in jeopardy". I don't think she should get fired for it considering her record. But I think some disciplinary action is reasonable.
January 14th, 2009 09:47 PM
Yep, most guns can fire thousands of rounds over their service life, so thousands of people were in jeopardy. The anti's never do let irrationality stand in the way of an emotional anti-gun argument.
Originally Posted by MP45Man
January 14th, 2009 09:55 PM
Lets see...guy takes a dump and drops his firearm, which goes off and kills the toilet (another thread). I just am left wondering what if her firearm went off when she dropped it and it hits a number of students standing at the door...curious if one's opinion would change then?
January 14th, 2009 10:02 PM
Good point. The fact still remains that she was careless with her firearm.
Originally Posted by bandit383
January 14th, 2009 11:08 PM
I expect there is no individual on this forum that has not at some point in their gun handeling career swept someone with a muzzle, loaded or not, or made some other dangerous mistake in handeling a weapon. Did this teacher commit a significant error? Yes. Should she be permanently deprived of her livelyhood as a result of an error which harmed no one? Should each of us have been permanently deprived of our livelyhood when we made our mistakes that harmed no one? I think not.
Some of you need to remove your self-righteous hats and take a look in the mirror. You might reach a more reasonable conclusion if you do so.
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