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    Quote Originally Posted by 64zebra View Post
    no, they are still convicted, will not be able to get their jobs back

    it is better than nothing, and should have come a lot sooner, but their lives are still ruined
    Ah, that's right. I read it but the word "commute" didn't register. I was hoping for a pardon, but at least they can now go home.
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    While a pardon would have been ideal, we live in a far from ideal world. At least their prison ordeal is almost over and they can get back to their families. God speed their return.

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    As others have said; At least they are out and can go back to their families.
    Maybe they can work to get their status changed. I dunno. (Law suit???) Some patriot that has the ability should back these men in that regard.
    The worst part is as a convicted felon they cannot legally possess a firearm. Add that to the threats their families have received (do you think that will stop?) and they have a problem defending themselves against those that would do them harm.
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    About Time!!!!!

    Bush Commutes Sentences for Two Former Border Patrol Agents
    President Bush commutes the sentences of Ignacio Ramos and Jose Alonso Compean, convicted of shooting a Mexican drug runner in 2005.

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    Monday, January 19, 2009

    Jan. 17, 2007: Former U.S. Border Patrol agents Ignacio Ramos (left) and Jose Alonso Compean (right) turn themselves in to federal authorities.


    On his last full day in office, President Bush commuted the controversial sentences of two former Border Patrol agents convicted of shooting a Mexican drug runner in 2005.

    The imprisonment of Ignacio Ramos and Jose Alonso Compean had sparked outcry from critics who said the men were just doing their jobs and were punished too harshly. They had been sentenced to 11- and 12-year sentences, respectively.

    Their sentences will now expire on March 20 of this year.

    Ramos and Compean were sentenced in connection with the shooting of Osvaldo Aldrete Davila, who was shot in the buttocks while trying to flee along the Texas border. He admitted smuggling several hundred pounds of marijuana on the day he was shot and pleaded guilty last year to drug charges related to two other smuggling attempts.

    Nearly the entire congressional delegation from Texas and other lawmakers from both sides of the political aisle pleaded with Bush to grant them clemency.

    The border agents argued during their trials that they believed Davila was armed and that they shot him in self defense. The prosecutor in the case said there was no evidence linking the smuggler to the van that contained the marijuana. The prosecutor also said the border agents didn't report the shooting and tampered with evidence by picking up several spent shell casings.

    The agents were fired after their convictions on several charges, including assault with a dangerous weapon and with serious bodily injury, violation of civil rights and obstruction of justice. All their convictions, except obstruction of justice, were upheld on appeal.

    Bush has been cautious in his use of pardon powers, and particularly careful when it comes to commutations of prison terms. A pardon is an official forgiveness of a crime (typically requested at least five years after the completion of a prison term); a commutation is a reduction of sentence.
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    Post From WSJ Today

    Bush Commutes Sentences of Former Border Agents

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    WASHINGTON -- In his final acts of clemency, President George W. Bush on Monday commuted the prison sentences of two former U.S. Border Patrol agents whose convictions for shooting a Mexican drug dealer ignited fierce debate about illegal immigration.

    Mr. Bush's decision to commute the sentences of Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean, who tried to cover up the shooting, was welcomed by both Republican and Democratic members of Congress. They had long argued that the agents were merely doing their jobs, defending the American border against criminals. They also maintained that the more than 10-year prison sentences the pair was given were too harsh.

    Rancor over their convictions, sentencing and firings has simmered ever since the shooting occurred in 2005.

    Messrs. Ramos and Compean became a rallying point among conservatives and on talk shows where their supporters called them heroes. Nearly the entire bipartisan congressional delegation from Texas and other lawmakers from both sides of the political aisle pleaded with Mr. Bush to grant them clemency.

    Mr. Bush didn't pardon the men for their crimes, but decided instead to commute their prison sentences because he believed they were excessive and that they had already suffered the loss of their jobs, freedom and reputations, a senior administration official said.

    The action by the president, who believes the border agents received fair trials and that the verdicts were just, does not diminish the seriousness of their crimes, the official said.

    Messrs. Compean and Ramos, who have served about two years of their sentences, are expected to be released from prison within the next two months.

    They were convicted of shooting admitted drug smuggler Osvaldo Aldrete Davila in the buttocks as he fled across the Rio Grande, away from an abandoned van load of marijuana. The border agents argued during their trials that they believed the smuggler was armed and that they shot him in self defense. The prosecutor in the case said there was no evidence linking the smuggler to the van of marijuana. The prosecutor also said the border agents didn't report the shooting and tampered with evidence by picking up several spent shell casings.

    The agents were fired after their convictions on several charges, including assault with a dangerous weapon and with serious bodily injury, violation of civil rights and obstruction of justice. All their convictions, except obstruction of justice, were upheld on appeal.

    With the new acts of clemency, Mr. Bush has granted a total of 189 pardons and 11 commutations.
    Overdue, but the correct answer IMHO.

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    Good deal.

    I'd have preferred a pardon, but as has been said, it's better than nothing!
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    I knew he'd come through. I did read that Bush thought the trials were fair but that they had suffered enough.

    Bullcrap. They did their job. Their crime was only that they didnt aim well enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AllAmerican View Post
    Their crime was only that they didnt aim well enough.

    +1 for more range time, LEO's! Wish I had a job to offer both of these guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AllAmerican View Post
    I knew he'd come through. I did read that Bush thought the trials were fair but that they had suffered enough.

    Bullcrap. They did their job. Their crime was only that they didnt aim well enough.
    They might have done their job well, but they also tried to cover up what they did. That can't, and shouldn't, be ignored. I'm glad the two men are out, because I think they were unfairly made an example of, but their actions weren't wholly noble either.


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    This news has made my day, thank you President Bush!
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