GOOD: CHL holder stops attacking intruder - Dallas

GOOD: CHL holder stops attacking intruder - Dallas

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    GOOD: CHL holder stops attacking intruder - Dallas

    Man fatally shoots teenage burglary suspect in east Oak Cliff


    03:36 PM CST on Wednesday, January 21, 2009
    By STEVE THOMPSON / The Dallas Morning News
    stevethompson@dallasnews.com

    A teenage burglary suspect was fatally shot in an east Oak Cliff home this morning by the homeowner’s son.

    Around 11 a.m., a resident in the 300 block of Hobson Street left her home, shortly before her adult son came by to drop off a newspaper, Dallas police say. As he pulled up, he saw the front door had been kicked in.

    Police say 17-year-old Gabriel Flores, who was inside the home, pulled out a handgun and fired it at the resident’s son.

    The son, who has a concealed-weapons permit, shot back and hit the teenager.

    A short time later, Flores died at a local hospital.

    Police have not identified the resident or her son and did not say whether the son was injured.

    Officials say the case will probably be referred to a grand jury.

    Man fatally shoots teenage burglary suspect in east Oak Cliff 3:23 PM CT | News for Dallas, Texas | Dallas Morning News | Latest News
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    Grand Jury...does that mean they're looking at the possibility of prosecution???
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    No, it means all such events (like shootings) get referred by default, especially in the case where one party dies. They have to review the case to make sure that indeed it is what it appears to be.
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    Well if it is what it appears to be, than good riddance. Should have made better life choices for himself.

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    Yes, a Grand Jury investigation is standard in any incident like this. It is very likely a 'No Bill' will be issued by it, meaning there will be no criminal filed...and that no civil lawsuit can be brought against the defender. Texas' Castle Doctrine protects property owners in instances such as these. Seems pretty cut and dry to me. God Bless Texas!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ Husker View Post
    Grand Jury...does that mean they're looking at the possibility of prosecution???
    I think that in Texas, most instances involving lethal self-defense generally get referred to a grand jury just as a matter of practice (or maybe law?). As I understand it it usually comes back as no-bill and the whole thing just ends up being a formality so long as the responding officers/sheriff don't have any initial doubts and it was indeed a clean shoot.

    Great for the kid - and quite sudden thing to happen. I do not envy him at all. Now he'll have to live with such a thing, but it sure beats being dead

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    So if this sent to a grand jury in Texas, it bars civil suits? We are warned here that even if we are justified we can be sued.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trapper T View Post
    So if this sent to a grand jury in Texas, it bars civil suits? We are warned here that even if we are justified we can be sued.
    Even without the Grand Jury ,we have the castle doctrine,if we legally shoot and injure or kill somebody in our home or on our property committing a crime then we cannot be sued by BG or family members
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    Glad the homeowners son came out unscathed. Home invasion is a high risk line of work...
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    Love it when th BG takes a dirt nap! Just goes to show those who only carry when they feel it is not safe vs those that carry all the time! Any where any time people
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    Quote Originally Posted by dukalmighty View Post
    Even without the Grand Jury ,we have the castle doctrine,if we legally shoot and injure or kill somebody in our home or on our property committing a crime then we cannot be sued by BG or family members
    Castle doctrine does not work without the Grand Jury. The Grand Jury is what effectively determines the legality of the shoot. For example, Castle doctrine does not protect a homeowner from prosecution or lawsuit if the homeowner broke the law, such as murdering a person on his property who was breaking the law, as in a drug deal gone bad. Just because the deceased was selling cocaine doesn't make it alright for him to be shot by the unhappy homeowner intended buyer.
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    In Texas you must have been found criminal violation before you can be sued civil court. The Grand Jury doesn't make the civil decision but if they no-bill the shooter then there will be no criminal violation, and hence no civil action.
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