U.S. jury finds rancher liable in vigilante trial

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    What kind of jury would hand down this kind of verdict . Weren't these people trespassing? It seems like the US citizen have no rights at all. I guess if one of these aliens broke into your house and you detained him he could sue you. We are getting more like England.The BG breaks into your house and if you interfere with them the government will prosecute you. Whats the USA coming to?
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    Quote Originally Posted by matiki View Post
    How about, someone hops your fence and walks through your backyard (misdemeanor).

    I'm not seeing where his house was broken into (felony).
    So, let me get this straight. You're in your backyard and some man hops over your privacy fence and you wouldn't be a little worried about it? Good grief.

    Living inside the city limits is a lot different than living out in the country. You just don't go trespassing on someone's farm. City laws don't apply outside the city limits. Drawing a weapon on trespassers is common in the country. You don't get a very quick response from your local P.D. out in the country. When I lived in the country, it took about 45 minutes for a deputy sheriff to arrive.

    Besides, we're not talking just one trespasser. Try 14,000.

    How would you like that?

    And if I remember correctly, the rancher DID call CBP and the illegals were subsequently arrested.
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    Heres my take on it,If you don't want to get confronted for trespassing illegally then don't come into the USA illegally,I've spent about 18 months and $2000.00 to immigrate my canadian wife here legally.Why should I have any compassion for people that feel like breaking the law is the best way to get ahead.That's the way the world is coming to the ends justifies the means.The reason for being armed is they don't know who in the group may be drug runners,yep they have drug smugglers that try to blend into the immigrant groups and would kill somebody to get away
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    Quote Originally Posted by M1911A1 View Post
    In that case as in this one, Barnett seems to have used nasty, bigoted, and unnecessarily threatening language, all of which could be construed as a "hate crime."
    hate crime

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    Thanks for the info, S.D.

    Here are some pictures of the illegals, drugs, and trash:

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    The rancher and his lawyer was on Glenn Beck today. I couldn't believe this story. The lawyer said when he went with his client to see the illegals he took his .45 with him.

    Over the past 4 years on the weekend he rounds these people up and then calls the border patrol. The rancher does this every weekend and has rounded up 14,000 ILLEGALS!!! This is just 8 days a month and he has caught that many. Imagine Mon-Fri. Just a crazy country we live in today.
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    I hope he appeals the decision.

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    The question is, do the illegals have the ability to collect the damages?

    If they are deported to Mexico, is there a means for them to collect, or do they just get the judgement and get the piece of paper that goes along with it and nothing else?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patti View Post
    So, let me get this straight. You're in your backyard and some man hops over your privacy fence and you wouldn't be a little worried about it? Good grief.
    I didn't say that.

    Living inside the city limits is a lot different than living out in the country. You just don't go trespassing on someone's farm. City laws don't apply outside the city limits. Drawing a weapon on trespassers is common in the country. You don't get a very quick response from your local P.D. out in the country. When I lived in the country, it took about 45 minutes for a deputy sheriff to arrive.

    Besides, we're not talking just one trespasser. Try 14,000.

    How would you like that?

    And if I remember correctly, the rancher DID call CBP and the illegals were subsequently arrested.
    My comment was only to illustrate that trespassing on private property is not the same as breaking and entering.

    If you want to draw parallels to support your position, lets call a spade a spade - they were trespassers, not burglars.
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    I wonder how much it would cost to put up an electric fence around his property? Couldn't be more than what he's going to have to pay to immigrants.
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    How about a shooting range? (oops, did I say that out loud?)

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    He should post these range signs from the NRA store.
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    Being from SW New Mexico originally, I lived just across the border from the Sierra Vista area where this took place. The fact that most ranches in SE Arizona (and SW NM) consist of more public lease land than private property is possibly a factor in the jury's decision. In spite of what some of the ranchers in that area try to make people believe, other than state school land outside of hunting season, you cannot be charged with trespassing on public land (mix of BLM and National Forest). Having said that, the fact that they were illegally in the US to begin with makes this stink. If he can catch/detain so many illegals, what would the Border Patrol be able to do if they didn't have so many petty rules imposed on them? Maybe we should raise money to pay the settlement for him and get him back in business- he's the most cost effective solution to imigration yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by M1911A1;1031479
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    "...David Hardy, an attorney representing Barnett, said his client was found not liable on claims of battery, false imprisonment and violation of civil rights..." [emphasis added][/INDENT]
    Previously, Barnett has improperly detained Hispanic-heritage US citizens who were hunting on his unposted land. In that case as in this one, Barnett seems to have used nasty, bigoted, and unnecessarily threatening language, all of which could be construed as a "hate crime."
    BS! It's HIS property. He can protect it as he sees fit. From illegals entering the country or from people illegally hunting on HIS property!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TN_Mike View Post
    BS! It's HIS property. He can protect it as he sees fit. From illegals entering the country or from people illegally hunting on HIS property!...
    In many states, your land is only safe from trespass if it is either obviously yours, or clearly posted as yours if it isn't obvious. Further, to forbid hunting you do have to post signs to that effect as a warning.
    Even here, in a state that requires you to get prior written permission from a landowner before you hunt, land still must be posted "No Hunting or Trespassing."
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