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    What can you say about this? York Tech student arrested after gun goes off in class - Charlotte- msnbc.com

    It's bad in so many ways. Either he's screwed up his future based on his fear of what could happen, or he had intentions of doing something else and got caught before he could act.
    As a director of safety and security for a state college, this stuff really worries me.


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    He single-handedly set back firearms on campus years...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bandit383 View Post
    He single-handedly set back firearms on campus years...

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    Unfortunately he has had plenty of help in this regard. Every time something is done wrong with a handgun it gets attributed against our interests.

    We just had a double homicide of two very high quality young people. IT was done by another young man who was a "pseudo student;" the kind of young man that hangs around near every college campus. Not really attending, not really dropping out. Just there.

    He had been arrested 18 months back elsewhere for stalking and trespass, but somehow that didn't keep him from getting a gun, stalking another young lady, and then shooting and killing her and her brother.

    The papers have been sketchy about the murderer, but likely this is yet another case of a sick person perhaps either slipping past the background checks or getting the weapon illegally.

    And yes, each incident, whether the one provided by the OP or the one I just mentioned, hurts us all.

    Also proves that gun laws don't work. BGs get them anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    The papers have been sketchy about the murderer, but likely this is yet another case of a sick person perhaps either slipping past the background checks or getting the weapon illegally.

    And yes, each incident, whether the one provided by the OP or the one I just mentioned, hurts us all.

    Also proves that gun laws don't work. BGs get them anyway.
    The biggest difference though is this IS a student, IN class, that FALLS asleep (and PLAYing with his gun)...AND 19.

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    He's 19 years old...a full two year short of the minimum age allowed for an adult to own a handgun per Federal law.

    This should not ding _lawful_ college carry at all.
    A 21 yr. old student is a senior and at that age on many campuses has ability and access to far more dangerous and lethal items such as lasers, chemicals, electricity, and even functioning nuclear reactors as well as radioactive materials.

    This just another case of an unlawful minded youth acting unlawfully against campus, local, state, and Federal laws combined.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Janq View Post
    He's 19 years old...a full two year short of the minimum age allowed for an adult to own a handgun per Federal law.

    This should not ding _lawful_ college carry at all.
    A 21 yr. old student is a senior and at that age on many campuses has ability and access to far more dangerous and lethal items such as lasers, chemicals, electricity, and even functioning nuclear reactors as well as radioactive materials.

    This just another case of an unlawful minded youth acting unlawfully against campus, local, state, and Federal laws combined.

    - Janq
    I wishfully agree Janq.

    But I fear; Another illegal possession, that won't be differentiated from legal possession by the anti's. Of course, another law or more restrictive laws, will do nothing to change this type of occurrence.

    But we're the only ones that get that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Janq View Post
    He's 19 years old...a full two year short of the minimum age allowed for an adult to own a handgun per Federal law.

    This should not ding _lawful_ college carry at all.
    A 21 yr. old student is a senior and at that age on many campuses has ability and access to far more dangerous and lethal items such as lasers, chemicals, electricity, and even functioning nuclear reactors as well as radioactive materials.

    This just another case of an unlawful minded youth acting unlawfully against campus, local, state, and Federal laws combined.

    - Janq
    I wishfully agree as well...but you know and I know that is not how it works. Perceptions BECOME reality...in the minds of the decision makers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Janq View Post
    He's 19 years old...a full two year short of the minimum age allowed for an adult to own a handgun per Federal law.

    This should not ding _lawful_ college carry at all.
    A 21 yr. old student is a senior and at that age on many campuses has ability and access to far more dangerous and lethal items such as lasers, chemicals, electricity, and even functioning nuclear reactors as well as radioactive materials.

    This just another case of an unlawful minded youth acting unlawfully against campus, local, state, and Federal laws combined.

    - Janq
    Either he's screwed up his future based on his fear of what could happen, or he had intentions of doing something else and got caught before he could act.
    In a logical world it should help our cause. An unlawful person with a gun, where a lawful carrier could stop a tragic situation. Unfortunately the anti's, many lawmakers and many in the academic world have forgotten how to apply logic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Janq View Post
    He's 19 years old...a full two year short of the minimum age allowed for an adult to own a handgun per Federal law.

    This should not ding _lawful_ college carry at all.
    A 21 yr. old student is a senior and at that age on many campuses has ability and access to far more dangerous and lethal items such as lasers, chemicals, electricity, and even functioning nuclear reactors as well as radioactive materials.

    This just another case of an unlawful minded youth acting unlawfully against campus, local, state, and Federal laws combined.

    - Janq
    You don't know how much I wish your statement above were correct, but it isn't. You must be 21 to purchase a handgun from an FFL per Federal Law (more specifically, FFL's are prohibited from selling handguns to anyone under the age of 21 - I don't think the minor would be guilty of so much as a misdemeanor). Federal law doesn't address possession, ownership or even a private party purchase. As of April '08, it is legal for an 18 year old to purchase a firearm from a private party in S.C.

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    Good point Socal!

    I rarely think of legal person to person sale/transfer interstate, without an FFL.
    Okay without knowing the specific possession laws of NC he still has violated other laws and campus regulations/rules which are pseudo provincial law as well.
    Can a person even lawfully carry a firearm in NC and be aged 18, as in under 21?

    Still this incident of a knucklehead acting criminally should not ding us.
    But the rest of you guys are right as well. Rational thinking. :|

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    What an idiot. His illegal actions will drastically affect those of us that wish to carry legally on campus. He was probably caressing that pistol, thinking about what a bad-ass he is, and then he probably crapped himself when it went off. I hope he loses his right to carry a gun ever again.

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    Janq actually this happened in SC (though it occured near the SC/NC border) it was just reported by Charlot which is in NC. This is certainly one of the worst things that could possibly happen though especially since we are trying to get cwp holders allowed to carry guns on campuses and i am certain the anti-gun crowd in Columbia are having a field day.

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    . I bet SGFS is having a field day with this one.

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    The problem is ,they will try to twist this as saying even if students can legally carry,the fact that there will be more guns on campus will mean that there will be many more incidents just like this morons actions,
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    This 'maroon' needs punishment, and he doesn't appear to have the responsibility to have a permit when he's old enough...no holster...no control of his weapon...gun on campus...
    He could easily have injured someone!
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