This is a wierd one!!!

This is a wierd one!!!

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    This is a wierd one!!!

    Not sure ''success'' is a relevant word for this but strange it sure is.

    http://www.2theadvocate.com/news/2332991.html Traffic stop turns violent

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Gunfire kills businessman

    By KIMBERLY VETTER AND MARK F. BONNER
    Advocate staff writers
    Published: Feb 18, 2006

    A local businessman was shot dead in a parking lot Friday after a scuffle with a 32-year-old Baton Rouge police officer.

    Investigators are unsure if the shots that killed the victim came from the police officer's gun, or from a witness who, after hearing the officer yell for help, grabbed his own weapon and fired.

    'At this point, there was enough gunfire in the air that we aren't sure who delivered the fatal shot to the victim,' said Fred Raiford, East Baton Rouge Parish Sheriff's Office spokesman.

    An autopsy is scheduled for 10 a.m. today, Raiford said, which should reveal who fired the shot that killed 24-year-old George Temple II.

    There is no indication that Temple, was armed, Raiford said.

    Temple owned Expert Sound, 7221 Airline Highway, friends said.

    The identities of the police officer and the other man involved were not released Friday.

    Sgt. Don Kelly of the Baton Rouge Police Department said it is department policy not to release the name of an officer involved in a shooting until 24 hours after the incident.

    The shooting occurred about 2:15 p.m. in the parking lot of the AutoZone at 9007 Greenwell Springs Road at the intersection of Joor Road.

    Temple's body lay under a blue tarp next to his black Mercedes S550 while deputies investigated the scene, one arm sticking out from under the cover.

    Kelly said the officer was off-duty and working as a motorcycle escort for a funeral procession going westbound on Greenwell Springs Road. The officer pulled Temple into the parking lot for a traffic violation. The procession never stopped, Kelly said.

    'The ticket was written, a verbal shouting match took place and then it turned physical,' Raiford said.

    Temple punched the officer several times in the face, according to Raiford, and the officer hollered for help before shots were fired.

    After hearing the shots, a customer walking out of AutoZone got one of the two guns in his car, Raiford said, and began firing.

    Although Raiford said he is not sure how many shots hit Temple, he knows the witness fired three shots and the police officer fired two.

    He said the witness had two different guns in his car, but that he doesn't 'know what caliber they were and I don't know which one he used. I don't even know if they were handguns.'

    Kelly said police officers usually carry one of two different firearms, a .40-caliber or 9 mm handgun.

    The witness was interviewed at the East Baton Rouge Parish Sheriff's Office. Raiford would not say if he could face charges.

    'We have not had the opportunity to interview the officer at this point,' he said. 'We'd like to do that before releasing more information on what actually happened out here.'

    Kelly said the officer, who has been with the department for 4' years, is in good condition at Our Lady of the Lake Regional Medical Center, and was expected to be released late Friday.

    He was treated for face contusions and possibly a fractured jaw, Kelly said.

    Because the officer's weapon was discharged, Kelly said the Police Department would conduct an administrative and internal investigation.

    Temple's friend, Willie Parker, said Temple liked to box, had a year-old child and was attending Southern University.

    'He was a successful man trying to make it in life,' Parker, 22, said. 'He always worked hard for what he had; a lot of people love him; it's sad.'

    Other friends said Temple, a 1999 graduate of Glen Oaks High School, was a quiet man.

    According to court records, Temple was on probation for simple battery and simple damage to property at the time of his death.

    A case against him also was pending involving counts of simple battery, simple trespassing and simple criminal damage to property, according to records at the Clerk of Court's office.
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    Boy that's a weird one.

    I'd like to know more details when they become available.
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    Sounds like the Guy had a little temper problem

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    Had Bud, had.
    Heroes are people who do what has to be done, when it has to be done, regardless of the consequences

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    yep thought had typed has Fixed that

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    Let us know more, if you find out anything else
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    That IS an interesting one, I hope there is a follow up.
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    Latest link I have found - still much speculation I think -

    http://www.2theadvocate.com/news/2335111.html
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    A hard one

    This is a hard one. At what point does the average guy get involved? Does the LEO have to specifically ask for assistance? Does the armed citizen make the call if the LEO is on the loosing end?

    I had an experience on these lines once while riding with a brother-in-law who was a deputy sheriff in Minnesota that placed me in the situation of fighting with a goblin. We found a guy sleeping in his car in a rural cemetery. My BIL got out of the car, woke the guy up and asked him for some ID. The guy responded with a smart answer and handed my BIL his ID. As he was looking at it, the guy tried to shove the car door into BIL. BIL stepped back, reached in and grabbed him. They ended up rolling on the ground in about 6 inches of snow. He hollered for me to come and help him sit on the guy and get handcuffs on him. (when we started that night he had told me to stay in the car unless he asked for my help) We got him handcuffed and rolled him onto his back. At this time I got out of the way and let BIL finish by advising him of his rights and then getting him into the car. There were never any charges filed invovling me, but he was charged with assault and battery on a police officer. At the time, I was unarmed, the car had a shotgun in it, but is was locked in a rack. BIL had his service weapon secured in the holster, the fight never escalated to anywhere near needing deadly force (IMHO).

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    Nice Find Chris ~ Interesting Story

    The officer called for assistance after being pounded in the face a few times by a guy that "Liked To Box" ~ The officer is hospitalized and has suffered a possible fractured jaw & (for sure) facial injury.
    That's a potential deadly assault on a LEO.
    The officer could easily have been killed, blinded, or crippled for life after a few more expertly administered blows to the face. The perp spazzed out because he got a ticket.

    The perps "normal" demeanor & the fact that he "had a kid" & was always a "quiet guy" are irrelevant to this assault.
    Many "Road Rage" perps probably never went publicly ballistic UNTIL the first time either.

    I'm for the cop & the Carry Citizen at this point in time & with the information available.

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    I just found this article posted on FreeRepublic:

    http://www.wafb.com/Global/story.asp?S=4527526

    "There were two big developments Monday in the case of a motorist who was shot and killed along Greenwell Springs Road Friday after a fight with a police officer. Investigators say an autopsy shows the deadly bullet was fired by a bystander, not the officer. Police also announced that no charges would be filed in the case, either against the police officer involved or the bystander who fired the fatal shot into the head of George Temple.

    East Baton Rouge Sheriff's spokesman Greg Phares says Officer Brian Harrision was escorting a funeral procession Friday when he pulled Temple over and wrote him a ticket for breaking into the procession. According to Phares, that's when Temple attacked Harrison. Police say Perry Stevens was walking outside of the Auto Zone on Greenwell Springs Road when he heard Harrison yelling for help. Harrison was reportedly on his back with Temple on top of him. That's when Stevens went to his car and grabbed his .45 caliber pistol.

    According to Col. Greg Phares, "[Mr. Stevens] orders Mr. Temple to stop and get off the officer. The verbal commands are ignored and Mr. Stevens fires four shots, all of which struck Mr. Temple."

    Perry Stevens fired four shots into Temple's torso. Officer Harrison had already fired one shot into Temple's abdomen. With Temple still struggling with the officer, Perry continued to advance toward the scuffle.

    "He again orders Mr. Temple to stop what he was doing and get off the officer. Those commands are ignored and he fires a fifth shot and that hits his head. The incident is over with, and as you know, Mr. Temple is dead."

    Police are calling the shooting death justified. Perry Stevens has a permit to carry a concealed weapon. Col. Phares would not give out any more details relating to the shooting. Both Phares and Baton Rouge Police Chief Jeff LeDuff stopped short of crediting Stevens with saving the officer's life. LeDuff says the entire incident is unfortunate.

    "I spoke with his father at the scene briefly," said LeDuff. "I think this is a tragic situation all around."

    9 News is told George Temple has a criminal record, and Officer Harrison was involved in a shooting while employed as a prison guard in East Baton Rouge Parish, where he was suspended for three days back in 1995."
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    Thx for the extra info Rick.

    Does seem to indicate that multiple hits initially did not produce a stop - only hitting the ''off switch'' did that.
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    Yep, sort of fits nicely with the thread we had a while back about how many shots to put down a BG.

    And Kudos to Mr. Stevens for a good aim. You know they officer and the BG were VERY close.
    You have to make the shot when fire is smoking, people are screaming, dogs are barking, kids are crying and sirens are coming.
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    Makes you wonder if Mr. Temple was on something?
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    Perry Stevens fired four shots into Temple's torso. Officer Harrison had already fired one shot into Temple's abdomen. With Temple still struggling with the officer, Perry continued to advance toward the scuffle.

    "He again orders Mr. Temple to stop what he was doing and get off the officer. Those commands are ignored and he fires a fifth shot and that hits his head. The incident is over with, and as you know, Mr. Temple is dead."
    Good shooting, and good riddance! I'm glad to hear that they're not going to charge the guy. (of course, it's Louisianna. If it was New York or PRK...)
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