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    Here is an attack that happened in a customers backyard. It was before we could carry. I would have killed this dog in heart beat. English Mastiff.

    I can vouch for the protective part. My customer had one....for about 6 months and one day it decided it did not like me.I serviced the pool weekly, so the dog saw me every week. I was walking back to my truck and the dog came around the corner of the house...and its eyes told me I was dead. It attacked...it went for my left hand/forearm, but I lifted it out of the way. So it bit me about 4" to the left of my boys. It knocked me flying, but I stuck my arm back and did a flip, which is what I believe saved my life. He lunged at me again, but my flip moved me away from where he was attacking. He brushed against me and missed. The pool equipment was on a 4 foot platform(flood plain). I was able to climb on top of the filter. He tried for the next 15 min. to climb up there and kill me. The homeowner finally came out of the house and put it up

    I ended up with a nasty black bruise and 4 bumps, where his fangs were located, sticking out about the size of eggs. He was not able to get hold of me...I was very lucky.He weighed 187 lbs. and I weighed 193. They finally got rid of him, because it happened again with a friend of they're sons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by retsupt99 View Post
    I would hate to shoot a dog, but I would, (and have) if the 'real need' arises.
    Just a dog barking or growling at me isn't going to do it...lots of dogs bark and growl...there has to be a bit more for me. OMO

    There is not enough information here for me to say it was OK or not.

    I concur with this wise gentleman.
    I wonder if the guy could have just gone in his house and called the neighbor to come deal with his dogs. If he could have avoided killing them ,he should have. If not, then ok.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PNUT View Post
    I concur with this wise gentleman.
    I wonder if the guy could have just gone in his house and called the neighbor to come deal with his dogs. If he could have avoided killing them ,he should have. If not, then ok.
    You have to realize that the dog was on "his" property!!! The owner didn't have "control" of their animal!!! An owner that lets a dog run wild is asking for trouble, and shows that the dog is most likely not well mannered!

    A dog in "my" yard and acting "threatening" to me, is a dead pooch!!!
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    I have to deal with dog complaints all of the time, and I can assure you there is always more to the story.

    In this county we have a law and this law has been tested several times in court. Each time the law has stood as written.

    The ONLY reason you need here to shoot a dog is that he is on your property.

    There are no other qualifiers. Period.

    Now, we all know that just because you can shoot, doesn't make it a good idea. I personally know of no case where a dog was just shot for walking across someone's yard or pasture, as I said there is always more to the story.

    The owner of the shot dog complains and threatens legal action. More often than not they want the shooter arrested.

    Upon investigation, it is found that the shooter has talked to the owner several times and the owner has failed to comply with just keeping the dogs up.

    Most people around here don't care if the dogs are just hanging out. Its the dogs that threaten, bite, chase cows and horses, get into the trash barrels, fight with their dogs or cats, or generally make nuisances of themselves that get shot.

    No one in their right mind is going to put up with a threatening dog, there is no future in it. A big dog can kill a kid without much effort, and I'll be the first to admit that if I thought that it was even a possibility I would shoot first and ask questions later.

    I shot one dog while on duty and have responded to a death caused by 3 pit bulls. It was not a pretty sight and after that event I made a conscious decision to ensure that it didn't happen to me or to anyone else if I was there to prevent it.

    I don't know what the laws are in other states, so what happens here may not apply there but the fact remains that the owners lost control of their dogs and allowed them to get somewhere they weren't supposed to be.
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    Thumbs up New info....looks like a righteous shoot.

    Charges unlikely in shooting that killed pit bulls
    April 6th, 2009 @ 3:51pm
    By Nicole Gonzales
    TOOELE -- Tooele City police will most likely not recommend charges in Sunday's pit bull shooting. Investigators believe the man had the right to protect himself and his own dogs.

    Police say this case isn't completely closed yet, but as of now they do not feel the shooter was in the wrong for killing two pit bulls.

    Tooele officers say there's been an ongoing dispute regarding animals between these two neighbors. Each side has accused the other of letting their dogs run loose.



    Officers carry one of the deceased dogs away from the residence. The Baxter family, who owns the pit bulls, say they've had issues with Williams' dogs harassing their children, chickens and roosters, which has prompted them to call Animal Control.

    Kevin Baxter's wife talked to us, but didn't want to show her face. "He's claiming self-defense, but with all the problems we've had with him in this past month, we feel it was out of malice," she said.

    Sunday night, police say Trevor Williams' dogs were out, as were Kevin Baxter's pit bulls. As some point, officers say the pit bulls chased Williams' schnauzer and Labs.

    "We know that they were attacking his dogs. We know that he's got one small schnauzer that was mauled pretty badly," said Tooele Police Chief Ron Kirby.

    That's when police say Williams shot the two dogs, killing them.

    Baxter's wife claims her husband had the dogs on a leash when they were shot. "My husband actually had the one dog, holding it by the collar, when it was shot. So, they were not threatening the neighbor at all," she said.

    But police disagree. Kirby says investigators looked at more than just one person's word against another's. "There's bullet casings, where blood is located, where leashes and collars are located, and things like that. So, there is actually physical evidence we're looking at," he said.

    Kirby continued, "Well, certainly he's got a right to a certain extent to protect himself and protect his property, so we are not looking at charging him."

    KSL 5 News has confirmed that the Williams is a new jailer for the Tooele County Sheriff's Office. According to William's lieutenant, he'll remain on duty until the investigation is finished.

    E-mail: ngonzales@ksl.com

    Looks like a good shoot after all.
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    Holding a dog by it's collar is not being on leash, lady (!).

    Last night I attended a staff meeting at the S&W Academy and I pulled into the parking lot to the first available slot which was two to the left of a sedan with an empty slot between us.
    As I pull in a male exits the drivers side leaving his door open and goes to the left passenger door opening it.
    I exit my vehicle, and SUV, and come around to the rear gate to retrieve my attache case. I see the male fumbling around with unboxed ammunition in a bin on his rear seat. He's wearing amber shooters glasses.
    Seated on his passenger seat motionless and not looking but staring at me was an oversized AST that looked to be by head and chest size (all that was visible) approximately 70 to 80 lbs. Around it's neck was a bright silver linked chain similar to the kind one would use to tie down cars to a trailer for transport. Attached to the chain was a huge chrome lock clearly commercial grade akin to what is used to secure shipping containers.
    The animal made no sound as it stared me down. The owner glanced up at me and went back to fumbling around. He was maybe 5'6" and looked to be in the 120 lb. range. There is no way he could functionally restrain that animal by way of muscular strength.
    My immediate thought was; "That animal is casing me. If it moves I'm going to do it right here. Break eye contact _NOW_ and continue to act normally."
    I closed my hatch and walked away.

    Funny thing is I was actually debating to myself in the immediate what would be most functional. To draw my knife (rear right pocket) or to draw my 9MM with Corbon DPX and shoot it taking high risk and probability of hitting the owner too.
    Thank goodness I didn't have to make a choice.

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    Barking and growling are threatening.
    Baring teeth is brandishing.

    If a human can cover 21 feet before most people can draw, how fast do you think a dog can move?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sigmanluke View Post
    Man shoots neighbor's dogs
    April 5th, 2009 @ 9:57pm
    TOOELE -- Two pitbulls were shot and killed Sunday night in Tooele.

    Police say the dogs were in a neighbor's backyard. Officials say the dogs were threatening the homeowner, so he grabbed a gun and shot the two.

    The case is under investigation. Officials don't know if there were previous problems between the neighbors.

    Looks like a good shoot to me....what do you guys and gals think?

    They were in his yard yes but, were they really a threat to
    the guy?

    Was the guy in his home or out in the yard?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fenris View Post
    Barking and growling are threatening.
    Baring teeth is brandishing.

    If a human can cover 21 feet before most people can draw, how fast do you think a dog can move?
    IIRC a dog can sprint at nearly three times the speed of a human being across an intermediate distance of 100' or less.
    As well acceleration for them from a stand still, IIRC, is something like twice that of an Olympic sprinter who medals.

    Ask anyone who has ever tried to out run a dog, that is off leash, across open ground over less than a mile distance how fubar that is even if they do have a half mile lead.
    I would not try to out run a dog over open ground, especially if it's close enough that I can discern it's facial expression without aid of binoculars.

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    http://www.kansas.com/457/story/762834.html

    El Dorado woman gets 90 days for shooting dog
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    EL DORADO, Kan. - An El Dorado women has been sentenced to 90 days in jail and nearly $1,000 in fines for shooting her neighbor's dog last May after it trespassed on her property.

    A Butler County jury had found Kristine Knutson guilty of cruelty to animals, but she filed a motion in March to set aside the verdict.

    In sentencing Knutson on Friday, Judge John Sanders said that the law allows ranchers to protect their livestock and have to be able to dispose of animals endangering their animals. But he noted that Knutson did not testify that the dog was threatening her or her animals at the time.

    He said the case has raised a lot of discussion in the public and online, but says that did not make any difference to him.

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    I don't understand why she would be charged with cruelty to animals? Did she torture it? In many cases when I have shot animals I saw it as an act of mercy not cruelty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mlr1m View Post
    I don't understand why she would be charged with cruelty to animals? Did she torture it? In many cases when I have shot animals I saw it as an act of mercy not cruelty.

    Michael
    Answer: you cannot shoot a dog because it comes into your yard, it's considered stupid and cruelty to animals... and the law is very strong here on it. She's lucky to get 90 days... it can be a felony with 5-10 yrs. If the dog is literally "attacking" (growling, etc does not count) or attacking livestock, then it's a different matter.

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    I'm afraid of a dog mauling a kid. If they will advance on an adult growling I would take this as they are about to attack. Dogs should not be running free in a public place. I'm a dog lover but I'm not about to be bit or worse.

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    I've never seen a dog growl at me, that has ever attacked. So far, your theory is 100% wrong in my experience. The dogs I've seen who have attacked, neither barked nor growled..... they went for them.. period. A growl is just a warning that you are in their space and need to back off...... so , back off and don't push your luck.

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    My neighbors dog has attacked mine twice already for no reason. He's come into my yard and went straight for my dog and attacked him like he's a rag dog. I've told the neighbor several times I don't want that dog near my house. That dog has killed several other neighborhood dogs that got into his yard. I've called animal control about it. No help. I have two girls 3 and 5 years old that play in the yard all the time. We have a right to be in our own property with having to live in fear of this dog or anything else. If I can catch him in my yard again, he will be going down. I will not hesitate. Some dogs are just all bark, and you can tell, and some dogs are just mean and not to be taken for granted. Especially not with small kids around.

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