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If the dogs were on the man's property and threatening him or his animals, then I would think the shooting would be or should be legal. If the dog's owners had been responsible and kept the dogs at home, this wouldn't have happened.
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OK. I'm convinced. Growling dogs pose no risk. I'll shoot the dogs that aren't growling.
In my opinion, a lot depends upon the owner being responsible, providing proper training, structure, and socialization. Also, responsible breeders not only breed for conformation, but for physical and mental soundness. What often happens (IMO) is irresponsible people who have no business breeding dogs, decide to make some money by having a litter of pups. They don't have the best interest of the breed in consideration, and don't really screen potential owners. Then, you have owners who think it's cool to have an aggressive "pit" and promote poor behavior.
What never ceases to amaze me, is neighbors who think it's perfectly OK to have their dogs outside, off leash, and have no control over their dogs. Can't say how many times I've been out walking my dog on leash only to have a neighbors dog come running across the street (usually with the neighbor shouting the dog's name) to bark & growl at me and my dog.
Any dog, treated harshly or trained to attack, may bite a person. Any dog can be turned into a dangerous dog. The owner or handler most often is responsible for making a dog into something dangerous.
An irresponsible owner or dog handler might create a situation that places another person in danger by a dog, without the dog itself being dangerous, as in the case of the Pomeranian that killed the infant (see above).
Any individual dog may be a good, loving pet, even though its breed is considered to be potentially dangerous. A responsible owner can win the love and respect of a dog, no matter its breed. One cannot look at an individual dog, recognize its breed, and then state whether or not it is going to attack.
Now, as much as I love dogs, if I were in a situation where I was being threatened by a dog and felt my safety was in jeopardy; I would not hesitate to shoot the dog.
Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, and beat you with experience.
Attacking livestock? Around here dogs that enjoy running livestock are shot on site. The livestock is to valuable to let that happen.
I have had dogs dig under my fence bark and snap at my rabbits. Some rabbits have died of fright without being touched. I knew the owners and they paid me but I would of had no qualms with shooting those "playfull" dogs.
They were well behaved. They (thankfully) didn't run across the street to me. But, the guy had absolutely no control over those two had they not obeyed.
The neighbor (don't know him) seems like a meticulous sort and presently, as noted, the dogs seem well behaved. But, don't the owners always say it was a complete surprise; my dog never showed any aggression; they are the sweetest dogs in the world.
In Texas the owner can get a felony charge if their dog harms someone, but wouldn't it make more sense to outlaw the breed in the first place? At least within city limits?
Sorry, but there have been too many dreadful incidents. This breed need to be illegal; and perhaps the same for any excessively large and aggressive breed within city limits.
"Any dog, treated harshly or trained to attack, may bite a person. Any dog can be turned into a dangerous dog. The owner or handler most often is responsible for making a dog into something dangerous. "
I have had otherwise well behaved dogs who "escaped' and went after neighbors. Fortunately, they only nipped at the cuffs and did a bit of clothing damage. The breed makes a big difference in what kind of damage they inflict; what part of the body they attack, and whether or not they will STOP and back off.
There are just too many reports of pit bulls which have continued the attack until severe damage or death occurred.
There are large breeds which by nature are happy non-aggressive people lovers. Pits in my opinion have been at the center of too many really bad incidents.
I haven't decided yet if or how to deal with my neighbor and his dogs. I'm probably going to have to check the security camera before venturing out, and maybe owb.
do not let this migrate into a another PitBull's are good Pitbulls are bad discussion or it will be closed like every other Pitbull thread.
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Police say the dogs were in a neighbor's backyard. Officials say the dogs were threatening the homeowner, so he grabbed a gun and shot the two.
Sounds good to me.
My dobergirl is the sweetest thing there is. She has a big bark but uses her bite like I use my gun, hoping to never have to inflict serious wounds with it. And no, that's not her, that's a shot from "The Doberman Gang".
I have been bitten by more dogs under 20 lbs. I have never been bitten by one over 40lb.
Personally I think all small dogs should be banned. They are like short people, no reason to live.
#1 dog to attack children? SPANIELS! Who knew, right?
I don't think there's enough info here either to call it a good shoot or a bad one. We don't know why they were in the neighbor's yard, we don't know the temperament of these specific dogs (I will vomit with rage if we get into "breed legislation," so let's leave it at that.), and we don't know what they did that was "threatening," or how the situation escalated to that point.
For example: I was called to evaluate an "Aggressive" Dogue de Bordeax about 18 months ago, by the owner. After 2 hours of trying every trigger I could with this sweet boy, I could NOT for the life of me, get the antisocial reaction the owner claimed. Found out after yet another hour that the reason the dog was "aggressive" was because he growled, bared his teeth, and lunged at the owner. Why did he do that? The owner casually mentioned that he was BEATING THE DOG WITH A BROOMSTICK at the time! Wait, it gets better...why was he beating the dog, you ask? Because the dog left the room when the owner yelled at him, and the owner was pissed at the dog's "arrogance." When really, all the dog was trying to do in the first place was remove himself from conflict. And when that didn't work and he got beat, he gave threatening gestures in the interest of his own self-preservation. Imagine if we called this sweet boy "aggressive" and tried to outlaw DDBs! (vomiting with rage here...)
On the other hand, if they were random, out of control dogs signaling a genuine threat, anyone would be well within their rights to shoot and protect themselves.
We need more info. And blame it on the deed, not on the breed, folks. There are no bad dogs. Just bad owners.
I sincerely hope that you kicked that guys butt, and took his dog.
I hate to think that a person should have to answer to anyone for shooting an uncontrolled animal on his property. Unless there is an impartial witness saying other wise I would defer to the landowner.
The dog owner is responsible for the animals death in my opinion. The investigation is a waste of time and money as far as i'm concerned.