News: Time to arm ships? (with poll)

This is a discussion on News: Time to arm ships? (with poll) within the In the News: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly forums, part of the The Back Porch category; Originally Posted by Thanis Only issue, I think there are international regulations that may prohibit. International regulations prohibiting someone from defending their own life?...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thanis View Post
    Only issue, I think there are international regulations that may prohibit.
    International regulations prohibiting someone from defending their own life?
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    Quote Originally Posted by phreddy View Post
    How many American ships were hijacked during GWB's command?
    Gotta say, I don't think that holds water (sorry for any pun). Do you really think those pirates are having meetings strategically planning which ships flying which flags to hit?
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    Quote Originally Posted by zackattack78 View Post
    International regulations prohibiting someone from defending their own life?
    Yep. They exist. However most if not all can be overcome with a letter of Marque issued by the home government of the vessel. This of course would apply to international waters only.

    Letter of Marque= Pirate hunters.

    However there is also a simple logistical issue with defending a large ship such as a cruise or cargo ship.

    The priates are using very small zip boats and are arming themselves with RPGS. At the end of the day at most a couple dozen people cannot effectively defend such a large area against several small, fast and heavily armed targets approaching on several different vectors. I mean some of these boats they use are not even really sea worthy. Little more than inflatable rafts with motors tied on.

    Really hard to see, and really hard to hit especially in open water where you, them and everything else is moving like crazy.

    All the pirates have to do is hit the broad side of the barn, while the defenders have to be able to hit the mouse running to it's hole.

    Mounted twin linked 50 cals ain't a bad idea, but they ain't going to solve the problem by itself. The pirates still hold the cards of mobility, size, and surprise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowsbane View Post
    Yep. They exist. However most if not all can be overcome with a letter of Marque issued by the home government of the vessel. This of course would apply to international waters only.

    Letter of Marque= Pirate hunters.

    However there is also a simple logistical issue with defending a large ship such as a cruise or cargo ship.

    The priates are using very small zip boats and are arming themselves with RPGS. At the end of the day at most a couple dozen people cannot effectively defend such a large area against several small, fast and heavily armed targets approaching on several different vectors. I mean some of these boats they use are not even really sea worthy. Little more than inflatable rafts with motors tied on.

    Really hard to see, and really hard to hit especially in open water where you, them and everything else is moving like crazy.

    All the pirates have to do is hit the broad side of the barn, while the defenders have to be able to hit the mouse running to it's hole.

    Mounted twin linked 50 cals ain't a bad idea, but they ain't going to solve the problem by itself. The pirates still hold the cards of mobility, size, and surprise.
    True...but eventually they have to get out of their "mouse hole" to take over the ship...and then you own them. Let's be realistic...they're not trying to sink the ship. The ships are their golden parachutes. They're throwing enough firepower to help ensure everyone knows they mean business and don't fight back at least long enough for them to get on board. Once they're on board and meet a heavily armed resistance the balance shifts a little...
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    Who would vote no ??

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    Should merchant ships be armed?

    Yes (675 responses)

    98.0%

    No (14 responses)

    2.0%

    689 total responses
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    Of couse they should be armed or have armed guards with them.

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    Its a no brainer.

    Arm the ships, give the ability of defense to the sailors and lets the chips fall where they may.

    I'd bet within the year piracy would cease.
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    I would like to see them armed, but I bet they will start convoying instead.
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    I think it is time to find a good system to arm all US ships. The crew must be able to defend themselves on international waters.
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    POLL: Should merchant ships be armed?

    Should merchant ships be armed?

    Yes (676 responses)

    98.0%

    No (14 responses)

    2.0%

    * 690 total responses (Results not scientific)

    This poll is closed to voting.
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    Convoys might not be a bad idea, as long as they have armed escorts.

    How about pepper gas piped along the rail that shoots down the side of the ship when activated? Actually concentrated acid would be better but not from a PR standpoint. Napalm anyone?
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    I think everybody has the right to defend themselves.

    A simple way of getting around the problem with other nations rules on firearms is to declare every merchant ship as a floating island that belongs to the country of the ships origin. Think of it as a floating embassy.
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    Merchant ships carrying arms (light cannon, heavy machine guns) were commonplace up until WW1, possibly even later. Time "return to the days of yesteryear"...

    I think a port and starboard pair of Dillon M134 MiniGuns mounted fore and aft on a freighter - along with crew members trained and not afraid to use them - would be a good start. $100K per ship, plus ammo... cheap, compared to the ransoms being demanded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thanis View Post
    Only issue, I think there are international regulations that may prohibit.
    Well, time to change the regulations. For those countries who do not want vessels with armed crews in their water/ports, ALL the shipping companies need to bite the bullet and let them know that they will no longer be delivering goods to that country until it is allowed.

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