Citizens Law Enforcment Unit
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Ive realized that local cops just don't cut it here ...
March 4th, 2006 01:13 AM
Citizens Law Enforcment Unit
Ok so this may be an odd question but its something I thought up overnight.
Ive realized that local cops just don't cut it here around Tampa. They are slow to respond and others are just to lazy to do the job right.
What would the legalities be on starting a Citizens Law Enforcement Division? Training and everything etc....... Just an thought I had. With the time and money it would probably be pretty succesful.
March 4th, 2006 01:21 AM
Starting a Civilian Law Enforcement Unit???
I think each city should get a CLEU. HA HA HA
Just kidding. I think it's a good idea. They already have very similar stuff for EMT services. I believe it's rapid response. They're medically trained people, not paramedics nor EMTs, but they mostly go out to elderlies homes when they're having their 50th heart attack, etc.
CERT is also an organized response team that is activated during disaster style stuff.
A law enforcement deal would be pretty cool. Where do I sign up.
Unfortunately, it would be highly unlikely that that sort of group would be able to be armed for liability reasons. There are some LE departments that employ "volunteers" Usually old guys trying to stay busy. They get a car without lights. Unsure what weapons/tools they get.
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March 4th, 2006 01:24 AM
I know Miami has a Civilian unit that deals with the non-emergency cases like fender benders and neighbor complains. This gives Police more time and personnel to deal with emergencies.
You have to make the shot when fire is smoking, people are screaming, dogs are barking, kids are crying and sirens are coming.
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March 4th, 2006 01:26 AM
Jarhead thats what I was thinking about. Legalities and such.
BTW Im probably going to sign up for my local cert too. LOL.
I just think this country could use a type of group like that. Would help a lot with gang crimes too etc... Hmm.... Pretty much hit a brick wall. But if anyone else has any ideas let me know.
April 6th, 2006 10:51 PM
as long as bad people suffer, im for it!
April 6th, 2006 11:01 PM
Don't know for sure, but I think that would be classified as illegal in most places because it would be akin to "vigilante." But who am I to know?
April 6th, 2006 11:07 PM
Be hard to avoid the ''vigilante'' label - even if training was involved. I guess in some ways this sort of exists re reserve LEO's - more of those could help maybe.
Leaving aside the legal aspects and logistics then certainly, just in principle it would be nice to take some load off the cops but they would probably be far from enthusiastic and I can't see it actually happening.
Makes me think tho of the old days and trouble times - when a bunch of guys were deputized. I would favor anything that got the BG's better controlled but the legal aspect is a minefield!
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April 12th, 2006 03:14 PM
Your best bet would be to start a corporation (ala Blackhawk), and see about municipal contracts. Gets kinda hairy with an essentially mercenary force, in a Constitutional Republic, but I'm afraid that's going to be the future.
April 12th, 2006 04:19 PM
The Guardian Angels are allowed to operate as neighborhood watch type enforcement. It would just be a matter of taking that a small step further and training people how to respond and possibly aprehend instead of just monitor and report.
Does such thing as a citizens arrest still exist with todays legal system? There is nothing illegal about a tazer, pepper spray and a couple of zip ties as handcuffs is there?
April 12th, 2006 04:22 PM
I allready have one here , It ends ( almost ) at my property line , i will support the only other business owner on the block who is a liquor store , it makes folks look funny when i show up before the cops with fal in hand uppon the siren call of the audable alarm lol
April 12th, 2006 04:27 PM
I know exactly what term and proper heading that should fall under.
Originally Posted by Ruger P345
Unfortunatly over that last 12 or so years it's been so misused and misapplied by different people both in and out of gov't I'd bet some here would have a canary if I used it.
April 12th, 2006 05:46 PM
Only assault and battery, and unlawful restraint. Really fine line there, and if you have a "group", you'll have to prove your arrests aren't racially motivated, or excessive in frequency or force. We have the unfortunate circumstance of having a society tell us that it is acceptable to take a certain stance in defense of certain rights and values, but when a stance is taken against the "oppressed and deprived" members of society, it becomes a crime. There really is no "win" for the decent citizen. If you want unannounced visits from the FBI, BATFE, and DHS, start a "Community Protection Group" of individuals training in H2H, application of force, and the comprehensive use of citizens' arrest. I'm assuming what you're talking about is a bit more than the usual Neighborhood Watch.
Originally Posted by Chance
Of course, if you have a coffee & doughnuts on the weekends with friends- who has a problem with that?
April 12th, 2006 07:32 PM
Thats why I was wondering about the citizens arrest thing. Is that a legal myth, or just something that would be target for a dozen lawsuits?
There is a 'Good Samaritan' law for a good guy trying to help someone with first aid. What about an average citizen that 'aprehends' someone who was seen commiting a crime? If Redneck shows up with his FAL and stops guy in a ski mask leaving the liquor store, what legal difficulties who he face?
April 12th, 2006 07:59 PM
The trouble is the government would stop it . They don't want the commoners to have that power. All the better to control you by having you depend on the government.
The thing is in the old days it was the commoners who were the ones to bring law and order to the country. Until the late 1800s the main job of the Sheriff was to collect taxes. When a posse went after the outlaw it was made up of almost all commoners. The shop owner the ranches. As big as LE has got and the power they have a good case could be made that they are unconstitutional. The founding fathers didn't want a standing military watching over the citizens. That is what LE has become. The Fathers were smart enough to know the threat to our freedoms wouldn't come from outside America. It would come from a government in control of our country that has no respect for it's citizens.
I think it was Hitler who said that he is glad the citizens believe everything that the government says. That way the government can do what it wants. With the attack on the constitution that ring a bell??
April 12th, 2006 09:14 PM
You can try being a Reserve Officer. You will have nearly the same training as Regular officers and will be allowed to perform the same duties. It will also give you some insight on what LE officers go through day in and day out. Response times are not always controllable, especially at a big city level where staffing is razor thin and calls for service are high. As far as Lazy COPS, they should be fired!!! If you personally witness a cop being derelict in his duties file a complaint. As far as starting something up on your own,all I can say is get lots of INSURANCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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