Deadly force protecting property -- in CA

Deadly force protecting property -- in CA

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    Deadly force protecting property -- in CA

    This one could be bad.

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    Burglary suspect shot by resident in Mar Vista | L.A. Now | Los Angeles Times

    Burglary suspect shot by resident in Mar Vista
    10:24 AM | May 3, 2009

    A man suspected of burglarizing cars in the Mar Vista area was shot in the face by a resident early this morning, police said.

    The man was breaking into vehicles when he was confronted by a resident at about 1:40 a.m., said Los Angeles Police Sgt. Dennis Beacham.

    "He was subsequently shot and sustained a gunshot wound to the facial area," Beacham said. "Itís my understanding heís in stable condition."

    Police did not release the name or age of the victim, and would not say whether the resident who shot him was arrested.

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    Lot of details missing.

    BTW -- Note the Headline "Burglary suspect becomes a "victim" in last paragraph.
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    Uh oh. I don't like the "he was confronted by..." part. That could mean that the resident, not the burglar, chose to incite/escalate it to the level it was, and thus face charges, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveH View Post

    BTW -- Note the Headline "Burglary suspect becomes a "victim" in last paragraph.
    This should be impossible...

    The suspect could become: lucky, invisible, escaped, one-crime richer, wounded, or DEAD, but not a victim.
    He eliminated the possibility of becoming a victim when he decided to commit a crime. OMO
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    Quote Originally Posted by retsupt99 View Post
    This should be impossible...

    The suspect could become: lucky, invisible, escaped, one-crime richer, wounded, or DEAD, but not a victim.
    He eliminated the possibility of becoming a victim when he decided to commit a crime. OMO

    Very, very well said.

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    Everything depends on the missing details. One is absolutely able (and allowed) to confront a criminal. One is forced to accept certain limitations unless life is threatened. What we don't know is if this burglar turned robber, or got violent toward the citizen. Without knowing what the citizen saw at the time, it's hard to do anything other than speculate.

    Of course, the pap that the news articles are using as headlines and labels for the engagement aren't encouraging. Then again, that simply proves the newsies are "in the pocket" and not objective in this. Same ol', same ol'.
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    From what I understand of CA, while much of SoCal is anti-gun, defense of the home is sort of an unspoken agreement. Castle doctrine is understood pretty well there, even before such things were codified in other states.

    However, not sure about the car - that doesn't quite fit the classic meaning of the castle doctrine. Not sure what's going to happen. We'll see, and yes, there are quite a few details missing.

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    Home/property owner probably now faces arrest and quite possibly a lawsuit for damages. Now who is the victim?
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    Here's some more info.

    Suspected burglar shot in face in Mar Vista


    One of three young man suspected of burglarizing cars Sunday in Mar Vista was confronted by a resident and shot in the face during a struggle, police said.

    The shooting occurred shortly before 2 a.m. near Venice Boulevard and Beethoven Street, said Los Angeles police Sgt. Lane Bragg of the Pacific Station.

    A man heard a loud noise and confronted three men attempting to break into his car, said Officer Rosario Herrera of the Los Angeles Police Department. The confrontation escalated into a fight and was heard by two other residents, who came to the man's aid, Herrera said.

    During the fight, the man pulled out a pistol and shot one of the men in the cheek, Herrera said.

    Police deemed the shooting to be self-defense, Herrera said.

    The wounded 23-year-old man was in stable condition, said April Harding of the Los Angeles Police Department.

    He is under arrest but has not been booked yet, Harding said.

    Looks like a good shot. P.C. 12025 has an exemption from the prohibition against unlicensed concealed carry of a firearm in the case of immanent peril.

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