Washington DC Cites Danger to VIPs if Congress Axes City’s Gun Laws

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    Washington DC Cites Danger to VIPs if Congress Axes City’s Gun Laws

    www.washingtonexaminer.com >> Local >> Local News - Washington DC News - D.C.?s AG cites danger to VIPs if Congress axes city?s gun laws

    D.C. Attorney General Peter Nickles said presidential and other motorcades will be exposed to high-powered arms fire if the District’s gun laws are stripped out by Congress.

    “The proposed Ensign Amendment, which among other things, would prohibit the District of Columbia from enacting legislation on firearms, would have a serious public safety impact for the entire region,” Nickles wrote in a recent letter to D.C.’s nonvoting congressional delegate, Eleanor Holmes Norton.

    The amendment was added to D.C.’s voting rights bill earlier this year by Sen. John Ensign, R-Nev. Voting rights advocates were furious by what they called a “poison pill” amendment aimed at undermining efforts to give the District a vote in the House.

    Nickles said the bill jeopardizes the safety of D.C.’s dignitaries.

    “Government facilities, dignitaries and public servants are prime targets for terrorists, both foreign and domestic,” Nickles’ letter states.
    “But in Washington, D.C., the likelihood of attack is higher and the challenges to protecting the city are greater.”

    Last year, Nickles spearheaded D.C.’s failed efforts to defend its restrictive gun laws before the U.S. Supreme Court. In a landmark decision in Heller v. D.C., the court ruled that the Second Amendment not only protects a citizen’s right to bear arms, but to use those arms for self-defense. The decision gutted the District’s gun laws and has jeopardized gun laws in other jurisdictions.

    The District revamped its laws, but made the registration process arduous.

    Gun rights advocates have vowed to challenge D.C.’s new laws and to continue to bring court challenges until the Supreme Court decides the limits of “reasonable regulation” mentioned but not defined in the Heller case.
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    How about the safety of non-VIPs? Do their lives matter?

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    What are you some kind of terrorist? Of course non-VIPs don't matter! What I find interesting is the total conviction this guy has that the DC gun laws actually are effective. Despite one of the highest crime rates in the nation, this idiot thinks people are safer! High crime rate = safe populous? I can't make sense of that equation.


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    Well, back in 1981 the D.C. gun laws did NOT stop Hinkley from shooting Reagan. HAVING the laws in place did nothing except keep those who obey the law from being able to defend themselves; as for those who don't care about laws at all, well by definition the laws are irrelevant to them.

    Now Heller shoots down the D.C. gun laws and these geniuses try to say the lack of a law endangers dignitaries? Yeah, right.
    Anti-gunners seem to believe that if we just pass enough laws, we can have utopia. Unfortunately, utopia is NOT one of our choices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackeagle View Post
    How about the safety of non-VIPs? Do their lives matter?
    No, as proved by the silly statute in the first place.
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    Those laws sure didn't seem to slow down the Beltway Sniper, did they?

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    This latest reasoning as proposed by DC yet again lacks logic.

    Do we not have VIPs including Presidential motorcades and those of foreign dignitaries visit locations within the US outside of DC including neighboring _VIRGINIA_!?
    Last summer here in my zone the Dalai Lama came to visit Smith College and greet the public never mind the multiples of times that Bush flew in to CT and was transported by ground to various locations. All locales where citizen ownership of firearms is lawful and allowed by law albeit with licensing mandates.

    DC appears by their actions, statements, and logic to feel that it's citizenship is largely criminal if not by mentality then by intent...and that additionally they the people are quite simply stupid too.
    Fact is criminals do not subject themselves to licensing processes toward planned effort to harm dignitaries of any sort. We learned this from Hinkley (Reagan) as well as by both Squeaky Fromme (Ford) and Bremer (George Wallace shot in Laurel, MD) within months of each other a decade prior during the 70s.
    Gun laws had nothing to do with these and many other attempts nor do or will they.

    The govt. of DC's position is illogical and baseless as well as either ignorant of or wholly ignoring that of DC, US, Presidential, and even world history.

    Assault and murder have always been against the law as by man and God, yet
    this and much more in the way of 'ban' against as much has not dissuaded those whose plans are serious by way of mindset in intent. This is why and how the US Secret Service Presidential protective detail came to be, again so says history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gasmitty View Post
    Those laws sure didn't seem to slow down the Beltway Sniper, did they?
    His actions were in VA and MD.
    No locales in DC were targeted.

    Both locations where assault and murder as well as unlawful use of a firearm are and long have been criminalized actions and activities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom Doc View Post
    Well, back in 1981 the D.C. gun laws did NOT stop Hinkley from shooting Reagan. HAVING the laws in place did nothing except keep those who obey the law from being able to defend themselves; as for those who don't care about laws at all, well by definition the laws are irrelevant to them.

    Now Heller shoots down the D.C. gun laws and these geniuses try to say the lack of a law endangers dignitaries? Yeah, right.
    [SARCASM] True, but since then His Highness Lord Fenty has brought in "Lethal Technology Scanners" and placed them at all entrances to the city, terrorists and murderers can not get evil guns past them, this would allow them to bring them in legally and undercut their star wars technology that makes DC the safest city on earth. [/SARCASM OFF]

    Winston Smith over at The Ministry of Truth and Love (DHS) is presently Truthing those news stories to say that they had Concealed Carry Licenses and were secretly Pro-Second Amendmemnt, Ex-Military, Anti-Abortion Extremist supporters of Goldstein.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Janq View Post
    His actions were in VA and MD.
    No locales in DC were targeted.
    Not quite true. Most of the shootings were in Maryland and Virginia, but there was one in D.C. proper. On October 3 they shot and killed Pascal Charlot Georgia Avenue at Kalmia Road, which is just inside Washington.

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    Got ya BE.
    I knew he hit someone on GA Ave. but thought it was further up on the MD side.

    Thanks for the correction.

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    Boy....I didn't realize that over turning the weapon ban included opening a hunting season for politicians!
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    As you walk the streets of DC you will hear, constant rap music loud enough to drown out the jets overhead, constant police sirens as they go to crime scenes or dunkin donuts and the repetitive poping of the oh so familar 9mm pistol. Guess guns laws do work, for the crazys and crooks. But for the rest of us give me CCP and a good ole' .357

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    This is one of the most ridiculous statements I've ever heard. What's stopping the terrorist/assassin/whatever you want to call him/her from getting a rifle from outside DC? Who says they aren't even available within DC? Murder of a dignitary is already quite illegal. I don't think a silly law saying you can't have a gun or knife is going to stop those folks. Besides, an explosive device seems much more likely in this day in age rather than a sharpshooter attack.

    It's the classic "gun free zone" logical flaw. Ludicrous everytime someone brings it up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paul34 View Post
    This is one of the most ridiculous statements I've ever heard. What's stopping the terrorist/assassin/whatever you want to call him/her from getting a rifle from outside DC?
    Be patient, we are getting to those.

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